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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by hobs »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #217
kube-system wrote: post #158

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"deliberately" is the key word. Brevity for the sake of expeditiousness or practicality is different than brevity for the sake of deception or ulterior motive.

>Brevity for the sake of expeditiousness or practicality is different than brevity for the sake of deception or ulterior motive. How are you supposed to tell which is which without reading minds? This simply moves the argument from "accurate vs concise" to "concise for good reasons vs concise for bad reasons"

Well we could start by seeing if they have a history of being "concise for bad reasons" instead of endlessly re-legislating the point every time it comes up.

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Post by setpatchaddress »

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #210
mindslight wrote: post #185

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> he also knows that his ultimate job as a politician is to make arguments that will resonate with his constituents Wider context check, his job as a politician is to serve his constituents by leading , even when it may be difficult. Pandering to the lazy and ignorant in a state of perpetual campaigning is an utter dereliction of duty.

As of May 2021 vaccine hesitancy by % of group is highest among PhDs: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v... Funny how one's enemies are always the lazy ignorant ones.

(a) it's August 2021 now. Lots of water under the bridge since then.

(b) that strikes me as a somewhat misleading reading of that data, which shows no _decrease_ of vaccine hesitancy from the previous month in PhDs while hesitancy for other educational buckets declined to some degree.

(c) what makes you think PhDs as a group are less likely to be lazy and ignorant than other groups? Do you have statistics on that?

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Post by Overton-Window »

kenjackson wrote: post #303
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #266

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Every year, ~647,000 Americans die from heart disease alone. Even if the COVID death numbers aren't over-inflated, I guarantee you that if I were to time-travel to 2019 and ask you if you think that it would be worth precipitating a global supply chain disruption, missed schooling and medical appointments for children around the globe, both first and third world, and the greatest erosion in civil liberties in Western…

600k deaths after huge mitigations. Without any mitigation’s is it 3 million in the US dead?

This is an unfalsifiable claim. Sweden used but a fraction of the mitigations Israel did, yet the former is better off now.

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Post by syshum »

robotresearcher wrote: post #366
syshum wrote: post #250

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I am pretty sure a large number of people on "your side" (for the record I am on Rand's side on this) want to prevent it We have evidence of this First you said "2 weeks to flatten the curve" we did that, and flattened the curve hospitals were saved ... but you were not appeased then you said "a few months to reduce the deaths" we did that and death rate dropped... but you were not appeased Then you said "a few more…

> we did that and got the jab ...but you were not appeased No, not enough of us did that. For measles and polio we did. No one is asking you to wear a measles mask, and measles is very contagious.

Thanks for admitting that you are treating this like Polio, and not like the Flu...

Treating COVID like polio is foolish, and naive. All indications are COVID will be an annual thing like the flu, chances are mutations will be more transmissible but less deadly (and the data is bearing this out)

Chances are we will need annual "booster" or other vaccine just like the flu... We do not mandate people get the annual flu shot, nor should we mandate people get the COVID vaccine.

So the question is do you support mask mandates, lock down, and economic destruction for the annual flu? I do not.

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Post by kgarten »

It is misinformation ... I live in Japan. Everybody wears a mask here, they work ... It's the only major difference between US and Japan in terms of prevention measures. No flue season last year and lower infection rates ... How can wearing masks be a political issue? Whoever votes for these idiots, I pitty you.

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

lupire wrote: post #400
shadowgovt wrote: post #293

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I, for one, wouldn't think that was crazy, no. Not when the preventability of those deaths is proportional to how well people stick to pandemic mitigation protocol. Very, very few people are willing to just shrug and say "600,000 preventable deaths is acceptable" in this context. The pandemic creates challenges that are uniquely tuned to impact the American "rugged individualism" approach to problem solving that work…

> "rugged individualism" approach to problem solving that works well in most circumstances. I would love a source for this, because "rugged individualism" is the reason why US has the worst healthcare and homelessness of developed nations.

People travel from all around the world to obtain US healthcare. Say what you will about affordability (I would contend that the main problem is that we don't have a free market for healthcare, we have an unholy crony capitalist hybrid system), but the quality of the healthcare itself is unparalleled anywhere in the world.

If you're at serious risk of death you want to be in a US hospital. I hate the trend of conflating "access to affordable healthcare" with the actual healthcare itself.

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Post by nielsbot »

rajin444 wrote: post #438
nielsbot wrote: post #419

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All you have to do is look at a deaths/infections curve before and after mitigations.

Yes, but you need a control to compare it against. How do you get one?

Just look at the trend line? You might also want to look at the excess statistically significant deaths numbers.

https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac8...

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Post by thepasswordis »

The mask thing is actually frustrating to me in the opposite direction.

The theory/intent behind cloth masks is that they might capture respiratory droplets, which might decrease mixing in a congregate setting.

The cost is low, the risk is low, and the benefit (if it works) would be high. It's a no brainer: wear a mask if you are in a congregate setting until we have better data.

But that isn't what MANY lay-people understand the masks to do. In the height of the fear period of the pandemic, I would see very high risk people (age >80) saying things like that they "feel much safer going out with their mask on".

The misinformation about masks (that they protect the wearer) actually caused people to engage in riskier behavior than they would have otherwise.

edit: and as a side point: what do you think this does to people who are already fans of rand paul? It's going to just push them further towards the fringes as a "trusted" place to get information. "Well you know $the_cathedral banned Rand Paul for speaking the truth! We can't trust $the_cathedral anymore! Where should we get data? How about $the_bazaar! (chan sites, gettr, gab, OAN, RSBN, etc.)"

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by spoonjim »

Boy these social networks have painted themselves into a terrible corner. Now they have to be the arbiter of things like the effectiveness of masks, a task for which they are not equipped and which the public does not trust them to do. Long term they are fucked.

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Post by Rapzid »

cwkoss wrote: post #379
suyash wrote: post #340

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that's your definition, for me it is allowing anyone to speak their views without putting a "extreme left" sensor and calling it fake.

lol. the idea that masks reduce infection rates is not leftist.

That's exactly what a leftist would say.
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