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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by rvz »

romwell wrote: post #428
rvz wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. The first purpose is pure invasive data collection of everything on the platform; otherwise how else is that so-called 'legendary recommendation algorithm' supposed to work? That and your data is the key asset that is being sold over and used by other companies as well, which is a violation of user privacy. The news here is reassuring to investors and the users like the parent comment are once again the pr…

>the users like the parent comment are once again the prime product addicted under a para-social relationship with other addicted influencers That's quite a leap from what I said, not to mention a personal attack. Comment [0] doesn't make any factual claims about TikTok (please, go and read it ). Comment [1] is outdated, as the policy they has changed since then. "That wall was black two years ago" is a factual claim…

> That's quite a leap from what I said, not to mention a personal attack.

Isn't this what you just said? This is you:

> TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred.

> All the people I interact with there get me. I've never felt this anywhere else.

From [0] 'Viewers or listeners come to consider media personalities as friends, despite having no or limited interactions with them.' [0]

Do they know you personally as if they are your close friends? If not, they will just see you essentially as a fan in a para-social relationship on a platform like TikTok. That is not a personal attack, that is the definition of what you are describing.

> Comment [0] doesn't make any factual claims about TikTok (please, go and read it).

So you are saying that there weren't any leaks happening about TikTok then, which suggests that they can suppress any content they want to or shadow-ban tags? So you trust them that they won't do it again then, since you think in your opinion that 'TikTok is the best thing to have happened to the Internet.'

10 years ago, another social network had the same accolade.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by antoineMoPa »

crvdgc wrote: post #435
panorama wrote: post #399

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I get the temptation to write it off (I don't personally use TikTok daily), but to me this take feels similar to people who used to assume Twitter is just for people reporting what they ate for lunch. That might have been the case at the start but TikTok has _plenty_ of niche content, some vapid, some productive, which frankly depends on the media you engage with.

As a non-user, I am genuinely curious about what are some concrete examples of productive contents? From my understanding, the only format of communication on TikTok is videos with a short time limit. I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive.

There are a lot of tech-related accounts. There is also a lot of marketing, ux-design. Some examples :

- @therubberduckiee

- @loewhaley

- @tony.aube

- @cassidoo

- @systems_analyst

There is also urban design tiktok with @mrbarricade.

Let's also be clear that the goal of the app is to entertain and I think it does this really well and cheaply. Then sometimes you learn something that you might use in your work or personal life.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by refenestrator »

tablespoon wrote: post #411
refenestrator wrote: post #355

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"Effective and stealthy manipulation" were your words I believe. Short hop from there for someone else to go further. We just watched people spend 3-4 years claiming that 50 Russian internet trolls were responsible for beating a billion dollar presidential campaign. The "smart people"! At some point you have to add up the mass values and ask if this adds up, or if we're just making excuses for ourselves.

> "Effective and stealthy manipulation" were your words I believe. Short hop from there for someone else to go further. A hop you took, not me. > We just watched people spend 3-4 years claiming that 50 Russian internet trolls were responsible for beating a billion dollar presidential campaign. Fifty Russian internet trolls (likely more), were working to put their finger on the scale, but it's an exaggeration to say d…

It's a scale with a billion dollars on either end, and we were asked to believe a small office of internet trolls from Russia tipped it. BS detector engaged.

If we're so fragile that some marginal stuff can steer our culture, then we deserve it.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by nirui »

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

> the internet is fun again

My opinion is, things happened on the Internet are mostly the reflections of what happened in the real world, +amplified. You got people from all the corners and they all got different backgrounds. The common is probably that they know how to buy reliable&comfortable keyboards.

During the years, in China, Chinese companies has developed some sophisticated strategies to allow them to grow and sometimes thrive under the rules that should have killed them. One of such strategy is to provide only fun and nothing else.

Imagine one day, George Carlin come back to life, expect this time, he only tells fun jokes, jokes makes nobody angry, jokes that only generate laugh. Of course it will be pleasant, even become a "place to escape to".

I believe the word here is tittytainment (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tittytainment).

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Of course, platforms such as Twitter, YouTube and Facebook has problems of their own. Those big techs are trying to do something that they are completely incapable of while trying to make money out of it. Moderating is hard, they just can't do it, even with their discriminating stupid ideas such as keyword scanning and profile rating.

I have this feeling, that is in the future, the Internet will become circlized -- Communities will be small, specific and private, just like those in the real world.

Of course, few "Town Squares" will still exist, where talks there probably remain toxic.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by fortran77 »

stackedinserter wrote: post #370
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #303

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No one said that there are no queer people on TikTok, or that they get no exposure. They said that TikTok artificially limits their exposure in several ways, especially outside their home country. That's probably not a big deal if they're in the US, but potentially a very big deal elsewhere.

Maybe most people aren't interested in queer content, so it doesn't get viral. It may be there, but most people immediately scroll it up.

Exactly. I'm a gay man, but most of the content I watch on social media platforms isn't "gay" content.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

rvz wrote: post #441
romwell wrote: post #428

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>the users like the parent comment are once again the prime product addicted under a para-social relationship with other addicted influencers That's quite a leap from what I said, not to mention a personal attack. Comment [0] doesn't make any factual claims about TikTok (please, go and read it ). Comment [1] is outdated, as the policy they has changed since then. "That wall was black two years ago" is a factual claim…

> That's quite a leap from what I said, not to mention a personal attack. Isn't this what you just said? This is you: > TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. > All the people I interact with there get me. I've never felt this anywhere else. From [0] 'Viewers or listeners come to cons…

My friend, I am not here to dispel your misconceptions, but I'll just note that you find HN a worthwhile community to participate in due to level of discourse here, then the same "para-social addict" label is applicable to you by your logic.
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