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Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by jethro_tell »

the_only_law wrote: post #222
sirmike_ wrote: post #218

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Why are you saying crazy self-fulfilling prophesies? Do you hate money? Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? Life means learning new stuff all the time. Learning never takes a time out. The military was a bastion of learned lessons for me. One key takeaway: You are your own best advocate. Everything in an interview or negotiation related to you springs from that viewpoint…

> Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? It’s just about time really. I could skill up but what’s the market going to look like by the point I’m ready.

Apply. I had the same feeling and got a near 100% hit rate on my resume. Even for things is didn't really think I was qualified for.

To the point where I went back and had to rethink applying only to companies I really want to work for.

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Post by brailsafe »

jjeaff wrote: post #426
brailsafe wrote: post #304

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Ya but companies genuinely don't care about that. We'd all like them to, but when the first step of an interview process is an automatically generated global talent test, administered by an hr person, there's no room for this sales pitch really. "Lets hire this guy who tells us he can learn, or let's hire this new grad who's been grinding leetcode for 2 years straight and happens to test well on the tech we bet our w…

The article you are commenting on literally talks about how lots of companies are skipping the skills tests right now.

The article could say anything, anecdotally I see an increase in this.

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Post by mark-r »

dragonwriter wrote: post #392
mark-r wrote: post #387

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I've found that the understood meaning of .NET has changed from when the term was first defined by Microsoft. Originally it meant the C# language and the multi-language library that it employed. Now it means specifically the parts of that library that are used for server applications.

Eh, I hear people talk about .NET desktop apps all the time and they are understood quite well. .NET (and, frankly, everything that isn't HTML/CSS/JS) may be less used outside of backend use than was once the case, but I don't think .NET is conventionally understood to be backend-specific in any general sense.

Perhaps that's still true in casual conversation, but in the hiring world .NET appears to be about server applications exclusively. At least in my observations.

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Post by thr1236 »

echelon wrote: post #213
thr1236 wrote: post #193

Hard to know what is a good or high total comp in the current market. I’m at $175k in central FL. I see a lot of people posting much higher pay on various forums and I often wonder if I’m underpaid. Now more than ever. Outside of FAANG (and similar) I’ve only found companies paying around ~200k total for senior level engineers. These places still have rigorous interviews but not quite FAANG difficulty. Still, the mot…

> I’m at $175k in central FL. For total comp that's really low. I'd expect that to be paired with RSU equity grants of $150 - $200k/yr. Any publicly listed "tech company" that isn't penny pinching like Amazon will probably offer similar rates. Maybe look for a tech company that is hiring remote? Negotiate a good total comp package if it isn't in line with what you see on glassdoor, etc.

So around $350k total comp, non FAANG, remote from FL.

What are you basing those numbers on?

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Post by designium »

wyclif wrote: post #417
crooked-v wrote: post #411

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> why should they have to? This has been one of the driving motivations behind literally every job change I've gone through since I started working in the software field.

It's because experienced SWE's know that the easiest, most frictionless way to get a significant increase is to change jobs.

This.

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Post by alecst »

tcbumperino wrote: post #83

Once you’re coasting in the 400-500k FAANG range, what’s the optimal move to get 700-800k+? Seems there are too many graybeards to get a Principal title. Better to switch to manager role? Or VP eng type at some startup and hope your stock hits? Or maybe VP at some non tech company?

I know this is off topic, but what's missing from your life right now that those extra 300k+ will buy you? Just out of curiosity.

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Post by nemothekid »

zomglings wrote: post #408
cxx wrote: post #115

Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

Your strategy to "improve hiring" is a dick move. You are just wasting the time of those candidates for... what? Really disrespectful. Also, your experience indicates that you are only applying to a specific kind of company - FAANG, or a company just about to IPO or a certain type of venture-backed startup. The job market is much bigger than these companies, and there is a lot more diversity to interviews than your p…

>Your strategy to "improve hiring" is a dick move.

I'd say it's less a dick move and more actively harmful. I really don't need any more to believe that FB was declining internally, filled with self-important engineers only propped up by a single revenue source and buying out the competition. In his attempt to prevent anyone else from hurting the company, he decided to hurt the company first?

Imagine working on any other system with 100s of engineers and one of them deciding he doesn't like how it's being run so, instead of raising his concerns, he decides to sabotage it. Absolutely insane.

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Post by nemothekid »

gavinray wrote: post #158
the_only_law wrote: post #148

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> What sort of software do you have to be writing besides magic money printing machines for it to be worth that amount of money? My understanding is that you have to get into FAANG or be in certain roles at certain HFT firms. I’m also pretty sure these are TC numbers are large chunks of those numbers are stock options.

Even in FAANG I have a hard time understanding how any developer is worth that amount of money though. I know a solid number of FAANG and ex-FAANG devs -- the stuff they work on (from what I've heard) isn't much different from the sorts of software I assume most people in SaaS startups work on. Outside of scale (which is significant). A lot of it is internal tooling though, which never hits absurd amounts of scale. I…

>Even in FAANG I have a hard time understanding how any developer is worth that amount of money though.

I don't know how you can work at a company that makes $1M+/per engineer every quarter and not think you are entitled to some of that.

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Post by rpowers »

cxx wrote: post #115

Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

This is why I don't interview at FB. I always told people the interviews I've had with FB just seems ridiculously off. Your story kind of corroborates that.

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Post by nerdponx »

monkeybutton wrote: post #140
lumost wrote: post #29

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There could be a couple factors here. The first is that recruiting at most companies prefers to reach out to candidates then the other way around. My suspicion has been that they get inundated with unqualified resumes via direct applications and just don't want to spend the time looking through it. You should try going back through linkedin over the last 6 months and messaging recruiters who did cold outreach or dire…

As someone that was educated in computer science and moved from software engineering to working in the data science world, I find applying to DS positions to be much harder and more painful than CS jobs. CS is easy: Do you know the languages they want, know some algorithms, are you familiar with the same tools and libraries, how's your experience working with people on big projects? DS: The field is so broad and so d…

The interviews and take-home tasks are all over the place as well. Some of them are pretty reasonable machine learning take-home tasks, but others range from Leetcode stuff to ridiculous 30-hour projects.
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