Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? • Hacker News Board

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by mint2 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

fakedang wrote: post #396

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Our software has improved since the domestication of animals and crops. Our hardware has not changed and we are still on H. Sapiens 1.0.

Isn't it the other way? Hardware has changed as massive inventions have augmented our living standards. While at the same time, the software (IE human mentality) hasn't over 1000s of years, except for maybe hard disk usage (which is human knowledge).

The hardware they were referring to is the human body. All that’s changed is we know how to maintain it better and can fix more types of premature breakdowns. It’s essentially the same hardware, just better maintained.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by WalterBright » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

goodpoint wrote: post #337

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Not sure how self-actualizing is contributing to society.

"Self-actualization is the complete realization of one's potential, and the full development of one's abilities and appreciation for life" From most classical philosophers, to Einstein, Maxwell, Darwin and countless other, their work was nothing else than an act of self-actualization. And because this is HN, shall I include Torvalds? The FLOSS movement started from volunteers.

I appreciate my life. I don't see how that contributes to society.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by foobiekr » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

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I literally can't find a job in any kind of engineering. Applied for dozens of cleaning and production positions and couldn't get a job. You know what the media has become? A cesspool of bullshit unworthy of any trust. No wonder so many people mistrust actual experts, it's hard to even tell who they are.

Hey, try being over 50. I just gave up, and retired early. Best decision I ever made. I'm working for free, with NPOs, and it's been a joy. The worst part, for me, has been the naked contempt and disrespect. I don't expect to be worshipped, but raw insults are beyond the pale. It's -literally- like a hazing ritual. With all the news about "frat boy culture," I think I see where it comes from. I don't think it's just…

How do you find NPOs that aren’t ego-driven sweatshops? I’ve been pondering doing this for a few years but the reality of many nonprofits is that they are quite exploitative of their employees and volunteers. I’d happily do net and server admin for a low overhead background task but not for a ceo ego org.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by Havoc » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

I find it more interesting how the BBC is putting the absolute minimum required mention of brexit in the article.

Meanwhile if you actually look at the job seeker numbers...strongly suggests that it's a major if not primary contributor. Non-EU is back to pre-pandemic levels even.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/17/number-of-e...

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by bigbob2 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

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There is also more affluence in California and the Northeast vs Middle America. Regardless of politics Middle America is not going to be granted the same economic opportunities as coastal regions.

So, why should we subsidize them? I’m Californian and my taxes should go to help my home state, not those who hate me and my home? Kentucky and the rest of those moocher states should pull themselves up by their boot straps, stand on their own two feet and sink or swim.

Because we live in a Union? The idea is that your state will be helped if the table is ever turned. Not everyone in Kentucky hates California and the people who live there. What you're essentially promoting is reducing the role of federal government, which is the same thing current Kentucky senators want. I'm sorry to be so blunt but to be honest your comment sounds hateful and ignorant.

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Post by shrimp_emoji » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #336

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I dunno. I get the same vibe from medicine. MDs in particular. Less so the further down the food chain you go. (Part of that is culture. The bottom is composed of immigrants who still act like normal human beings.) I think it's something that's more broadly acculturated among the highly educated and high-achieving. Or just selected for whenever competition is fierce. I also did not get this feeling from other technol…

> There's too much money in Tech. It attracts the worst, and brings out the worst. That is my thesis. In New York, we have the finance industry, which is just as bad (if not worse). It has also been like this for most of a century. That does not bode well for Tech improving.

Web dev, specifically.

That's where ALL the money is, and it's where the worst culture (and worst tech) is, imo. :p

I mean, hell, why else would anyone learn React? $$$$$$

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by f0xytr0xy » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

bigbob2 wrote: post #445

f0xytr0xy wrote: post #438

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So, why should we subsidize them? I’m Californian and my taxes should go to help my home state, not those who hate me and my home? Kentucky and the rest of those moocher states should pull themselves up by their boot straps, stand on their own two feet and sink or swim.

Because we live in a Union? The idea is that your state will be helped if the table is ever turned. Not everyone in Kentucky hates California and the people who live there. What you're essentially promoting is reducing the role of federal government, which is the same thing current Kentucky senators want. I'm sorry to be so blunt but to be honest your comment sounds hateful and ignorant.

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Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by f0xytr0xy » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

bigbob2 wrote: post #445

f0xytr0xy wrote: post #438

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So, why should we subsidize them? I’m Californian and my taxes should go to help my home state, not those who hate me and my home? Kentucky and the rest of those moocher states should pull themselves up by their boot straps, stand on their own two feet and sink or swim.

Because we live in a Union? The idea is that your state will be helped if the table is ever turned. Not everyone in Kentucky hates California and the people who live there. What you're essentially promoting is reducing the role of federal government, which is the same thing current Kentucky senators want. I'm sorry to be so blunt but to be honest your comment sounds hateful and ignorant.

Kentucky senators do not want to reduce the size of the federal government. They just want to keep sucking the prosperous states dry while demonizing us.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by f0xytr0xy » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

bigbob2 wrote: post #445

f0xytr0xy wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, why should we subsidize them? I’m Californian and my taxes should go to help my home state, not those who hate me and my home? Kentucky and the rest of those moocher states should pull themselves up by their boot straps, stand on their own two feet and sink or swim.

Because we live in a Union? The idea is that your state will be helped if the table is ever turned. Not everyone in Kentucky hates California and the people who live there. What you're essentially promoting is reducing the role of federal government, which is the same thing current Kentucky senators want. I'm sorry to be so blunt but to be honest your comment sounds hateful and ignorant.

I never agreed to any union. Show me the paperwork where I agrees to be united with inbred rednecks who would happily slit my throat for being gay.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Post by epicureanideal » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 10:18 PM UTC

Many companies are becoming increasingly unpleasant to work for, largely because of the increasing political speech at work. I wish more companies would take a Coinbase or Basecamp type stance on avoiding politics at work, and downsize their HR departments so they focus on benefits, compensation, and so on, rather than acting like political commissars and social activists within the workplace.