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This is the only instance relating to offensive social media I've ever heard of where someone got reassigned and not fired
Should you really be fired for things you said 13 years ago? Also we didn't see the entire context..
Only the purest of the pure can lead a diversity effort. And it doesn’t count unless you were pure from the beginning. Growing to overcome past problems is not sufficient.
For example, Obama could never lead a diversity effort. That's how pure you have to be.
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"Damore emailed his memo to the organisers of Google’s diversity meetings in early July. When there was no response, he started sending the document to Google’s internal mailing lists and forums, eager for a reaction." https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/16/james-dam...
This is the Guardian telescoping and generalizing with it's usual rigor. There were two diversity trainings, both requesting feedback. There was no email there was a google doc, a link to which was sent as part of a feedback form in the trainings and then shared with a larger group called "skeptics" created for these types of discussions at the request of Damore's manager. You can read the timeline here: https://www.…
Meanwhile, your initial summary of it was that he sent confidential feedback to the diversity team after a training session which pissed them off so much that they leaked it to screw with him.
His bigotry goes beyond anti-semitism. Kamau Bobb's blog posts were almost exclusively about White and Jewish people, as a whole, and their mistreatment of Black Americans both historically and today. He even targets progressive white people for their more unspoken racism. There is a very obvious tone of distaste for white and Jewish people in his posts. Search for the word "white" or "Jew" in his blog [1] posts to s…
1) Where's the lie? 2) It's funny how the Damore defenders shed their free speech hucksterism like yesterday's underwear.
No, people are pointing out the racist double standard.
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No Damore sent supposedly confidential feedback when solicited to do so by diversity trainers. That content so enraged the diversity staff they leaked it to the rest of the company. Perhaps Damore was naive in thinking the feedback about diversity training was welcome or confidential, but he definately did not send a company-wide email to anyone.
I think the point being made was Damore's email was sent using company resources, while employed by the company, presumably on company time. Bobb's blog post was from 2007.
In Damore's case: He was asked to privately(?) provide his thoughts to the company(hence while employed and on company time).
Bobb's case: He decided to write a blog post. No-one asked him nor compelled him to share his thoughts.
My view is that firing people over views and opinions is dumb as long as they are not trying to force their views and opinions on other people in the workplace.
On the other hand, my view is that one's views and opinions are private and don't need to be spewed everywhere, hence why I have a dim view of social media(notes the irony/hypocrisy of posting this on HN).
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It is Anti-Semitic in that he is lumping all jews in with Israel. I am a Jew, America is my homeland. I live here and am an American. I am not an Israeli. I give almost zero thought to Israel in my day to day. Jews are consistently labeled with an "other" tag, we are not Americans, we are Jews and Israel is our country. Also "If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in def…
> How is that anything except Anti-Semitic? As you frame it, there is no other way to interpret his words (found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau... ). If one takes a charitable read of his words, it might be less damning (although definitely questionable in terms of style): 1. It’s clear in the post that he’s speaking about Israeli Jews. While even Israeli Jews are not monolithic, a…
If some white dude wrote "If I was a Black, I would find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the long cycles of oppression that Blacks have endured and the insatiable appetite for crime that permeates inner cities", we would rightly castigate him as a virulent racist.
It also wouldn't matter if you replaced "Black" with African, or Senegalese, or Mexican, or any other nationality. You aren't that thing, you don't have the experiences of that culture, you don't get to write from that perspective.
So, it took some digging, but here is the text https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:luIscB... As you can see, it's a quite well written critique of Israel, and it is definitely NOT anti-Semitic. I find it quite ironic that it took Google's cache to find the thing Google itself wants canceled
This part near the end is the one I find really hard to interpret in a non antisemitic way because it bears the implicit assumption that a Jewish person (whether Israeli or not, whether zionist or not) would be compelled to feel in a certain way because the Israeli violence he describes is unleashed to defend himself as a Jewish person.
That closing argument could have turned the whole point of view upside down simply by explaining from his (or an imaginary Jewish person's) point of view why the society in Israel dictates what he should feel, and how right winged populism in Israel often adopts the antisemitic opinion that Jewish diaspora cannot truly integrate into their countries and therefore must make Israel part of their Jewish identity.
That could have been a legitimate critic that I too share as a Jewish man who live in Israel.
What strikes me even more is that Google were not aware of this post or did not based their decision upon it when offering him this role. Having gone through a full on site cycle recently with a FAANG company (which I didn't pass), I submitted a GDPR request to receive all the data that has been collected as part of the interview process. Most of it they won't really share but one thing that they did share was a file with a list of pretty much all my twitter activity that went through a 3rd party review, and that's just for a simple L5/L6 role.
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It's worse than that, only the purest of the pure can be employed. Look at Apple's recent mob firing of Antonio García Martínez. Who made the mistake of writing a best selling and critically acclaimed book just 5 years ago. Featured as one of NPR's best books of the year, recommended by NYT, Washington Post, etc. But now it's suddenly a fireable offense. “An irresistible and indispensable 360-degree guide to the new…
Can you provide a source for best selling? I dont see it on the NYT Fiction or NonFiction list in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Fiction_Bes... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Nonfiction_...
Wow, 14 years ago. I hope the current progressive correct-thinkers realize the takes they make today have to hold up over a decade from now, otherwise the next wave is going to cancel them.
Sarah Silverman's blackface sketch that lost her movie roles in 2019 was from 2007. Alexi McCammond's tweets as a 17 year old were made in 2011. She had already publicly apologized for them in 2019. James Gunn's old tweets were from 2011. Josh Hader's social media posts were from 2012, while in high school. Hartley Sawyer's tweets were from 2014. Where is that line?