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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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An utterly appalling decision by CYA bureaucrats or innumerate idiots. The leadership of the CDC and FDA must be replaced.

Or maybe someone in a position to influence this decision was heavily invested in a different vaccine. It's perfectly reasonable to assume they're not idiots at all.

Perhaps one that costs half as much and only needs one dose...

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7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

Multiple advanced health care systems in the world are independently pulling these vaccines. I wouldn’t brush it off as the FDA being overly cautious. None of these vaccines have been tested in humans for more than 12 months. And you’re assuming that health authorities can wave a magic want and instantly know who is having some kind of undetected brain clotting? I think the risks are extremely unclear even though people are throwing statistics around like they mean anything.

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Okay so I want to make something very clear here. The rule is to put it very very simply, is you can ship any drug that is approved but you have to list the side effects. This drug was approved under an emergency order and this side effect was not listed. This will get paused long enough for the side effects to be updated and then used again. The arguments about “well the birth control pill has a higher risk” are usi…

But is it really a side effect? If 6 people vaccinated are hit by a car, is that included as a side effect? Are those side effects lists just a catch it all sort of exception where they throw anything there just in case? Honest question.

We will ask if the vaccine somehow cause those 6 people to be hit by a car, if we decide the vaccine caused that would be listed. (I don't see how a vaccine could cause people to be hit by a car, but I'm open to suggestions)

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

> a virus that has 98% survival rate

You know, for all the continual fear mongering about coronavirus last year, the constant reminders of who was most at risk, the hyper importance put on masks and cleanliness, etc it is shocking to see things put this way now.

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Well this seems stupid. The thing I'm trying to understand is whether Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca are meaningfully different. All the media just assumes they are (until proven equivalent), but is the genetic code publicly known so we can compare? The Pfizer and Moderna ones are extremely similar. Now, I imagine the adenovirus ones have an order of magnitude more genetic material, but is the code publicly know t…

One difference is that J&J has been tested for only one shot and AZ is tested for two shots. Also the amount of vaccin you get shot in your arm could be different. The clotting incidents between the two are certainly different, AZ has much more at the moment.

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Your link only has IPv6 records but the www. subdomain has IPv4.

Hey. What will that mean exactly? DNS is through Cloudflare using their magical CNAME pointer. Can you access OK?

I see IPv4 A records. I am guessing what's happening is that when you look up the DNS over IPv6, it gives you AAAA records instead of A records. Or, it can depend on locality. Cloudflare is not a DNS provider that gives the same answer to everyone -- its goal is to direct traffic to the cache that's closest to the end user.

Edit: I looked into it more and I can get IPv6 and IPv4 DNS servers to serve me both A and AAAA records. The site is now down, however :)

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

They didn't pause it because they're considering cancelling it. They're pausing it so they can communicate to patients and providers what to look out for after they take it. Once processes are in place to handle future blood clot events, they will resume vaccinations.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

I wonder if we randomly select 7 million people (without vaccine) and observe them for couple of months - how many of them will get the blood cloths

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Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1381967753234411530 J&J doses delivered: 7 million. Reported blood clotting events: 6. Daily risk of dying of COVID19 in the US: 1 in 330,000. CDC and FDA: Pause the J&J vaccine. Draw your own conclusion on how aligned these folks are with your interests.

This is misleading. If you’re young and healthy, the chances of dying from COVID are basically zero. The chances of dying from a blood clot from a rushed vaccine are not. The people who died from blood clots probably would still be alive had they not taken the vaccine.

> If you’re young and healthy, the chances of dying from COVID are basically zero.

Hundreds of young and healthy people have died from Covid-19.

The risk is “basically zero” but so is the current known 1 in 7 million risk of dying from this blood clotting.

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