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Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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If you can’t have a conversation about this with your partner, your relationship has bigger issues.

For real, how hard is it to say "I am working, talk to you at lunch"?

OP already explained that the partner does not see sitting at a computer as working. They have different underlying assumptions which need to be addressed. That can be hard but not worth throwing away a relationship unless one person won't work towards resolving it.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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Just in case you were operating under the illusion that tech giants are run by forward thinking executives who are immune to the usual politics and problems of corporate life. Nope, most of their exec layer is a bunch of people who cut their teeth the industry in the 90's, and are operating within a thick fog of local workplace politics. I guarantee that behind this move is an executive who believes that developers n…

Anecdotally, I've been a remote engineer on and off for ten years. There have been plenty of companies where I thought we might have achieved more with an office. Yes, I understand you can always improve your processes but there does feel like there are fundamental limitations with remote work.

There absolutely are limits, especially on the social side. You don't form as close of relationships with co-workers. You don't get those in-hallway "hey, can I show you this real quick?" moments. At my previous place, a couple employees eventually left to form their own successful company; they bonded because they always went out for smoke breaks together. Unless the company is fully remote, it's harder to get noticed in the company. May be harder to move up the ladder.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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Absolutely - in knowledge economy, insisting on physical presence is darn damn stupid. And I don't want to hang "with friends at work" I go to "work" that has to be specified clearly and that I expect to deliver with purely professional merit driven collaboration and not friendships and gangs. I have friends or would love to have friends out of the place where I work. I want strict compartmentalisation between work a…

> Absolutely - in knowledge economy, insisting on physical presence is darn damn stupid. I could also surmise that in a knowledge economy, high bandwith and low latency connections are very importance, and that in-person communication are much higher bandwith and lower latency than remote.

> in-person communication are much higher bandwith and lower latency than remote

Do you have any data to back this up? Also, what about other factors like accuracy, ambiguity and efficiency? Sending one single email to the entire company can be more accurate, less ambiguous and much more efficient than communicating it to each person one to one or relying on Chinese whispers.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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I cannot recommend a co-working space enough. My life improved so much since working from a co-working. I looked for a place that shared my work/life style and I've made friends, we share lunch, we've gone on trips, we usually share a friday drink, etc. And since everyone works on different things and/or companies it's quite interesting as well to get some other input that's not just work colleagues. I also looked fo…

Reading this thread makes me realize that not everybody is currently in a lockdown. Co-working spaces where I am are closed (due to the virus) since ~October and won't reopen before a while :(

"Lockdown" is essentially a meaningless term. There may have been exceptions at one point but in the US, there were mostly never meaningful restrictions on leaving your home and certainly not enforced ones.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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I have been working remotely for decades. Most people can't work remotely and productively because they are not trained to do so. E.g. You are in your office (inside your home) and your wife, your dog or child enters it demanding you do some kind of non important issue right now, distracting you from your work.You need to be trained to not them let them distract you. The people living in your house need to be trained…

This chestnut 'home has too many distractions' line is getting old. Work has equivalent distractions, and those people actually get paid to distract you. It takes time management wherever you sit your butt.

Get back to me when a two year old pees on the cables under your desk at your office.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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I'm a little shocked by this. I thought the big tech companies and Google specifically were leading the charge in "we will allow significant WFH forever going forward", but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. Personally, I'm at a small data company, and we're opening a new office for people where WFH is a burden (NYC apartments and all), but is so far voluntary. In fact, I think there are only seats for less than…

For Google, this doesn't surprise me at all. A big part of how they get people to work more is to keep them on campus as long as possible, and on-site incentives like meals, laundry, massage, etc. all serve that goal. The fact that Google's offices are often referred to as "campuses" rather than "offices" drives that point home as well.

> The fact that Google's offices are often referred to as "campuses" rather than "offices" drives that point home as well.

This. I find it an odd term to use for what is essentially a workplace.

The modern meaning of "Campus" seems to have drifted from a location with multiple facilities where one could actually live, to office with table tennis and free meal facilities.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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I have been working remotely for decades. Most people can't work remotely and productively because they are not trained to do so. E.g. You are in your office (inside your home) and your wife, your dog or child enters it demanding you do some kind of non important issue right now, distracting you from your work.You need to be trained to not them let them distract you. The people living in your house need to be trained…

This chestnut 'home has too many distractions' line is getting old. Work has equivalent distractions, and those people actually get paid to distract you. It takes time management wherever you sit your butt.

>"and those people actually get paid to distract you"

And it looks exactly like other non-productive things at work: in my morning standup i can say: " i got pulled into a meeting about 'random irrelevant issue' so thats my day"

'Home distraction' are considered slacking

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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> or just lack the initiative, knowledge and internal motivation to work without external pressure and supervision I will humbly raise my hand and admit to this. As someone who has so far really enjoyed the lifestyle benefits of WFH but has struggled with this, what advice/tips/strategies/recommendations can you or other senior remote engineers provide on how to improve this specific aspect?

I cannot recommend a co-working space enough. My life improved so much since working from a co-working. I looked for a place that shared my work/life style and I've made friends, we share lunch, we've gone on trips, we usually share a friday drink, etc. And since everyone works on different things and/or companies it's quite interesting as well to get some other input that's not just work colleagues. I also looked fo…

I think most people just don't want to pay that much extra for work, from their own pocket.

Re: Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting limits on remote work

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Disagree completely. All metrics at my company, gamedev, show throughput is down ~66% since WFH Me, I want to go back to the office. Like hanging out with my work friends.

What is the measure of productivity? Lines of codes added/removed? Functions written? Jira tickets etc? How do we exactly know that if they are tickets, they are exactly the same size before and after the pandemic? And is it the same for everyone? Like for HR, sales, marketing?

You can look at the distributions of ticket sizes and make sure they are roughly the same as before. With enough data it is pretty easy to observe a change in productivity even if you are using measures that aren’t good absolute measures of productivity.
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