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Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

salamandersauce wrote: post #438
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #431

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> It doesn't have any sort of way for the user to run "programs" or instructions in memory outside the predefined functions You’re intentionally picking a dumb toaster. I could also intentionally pick a dumb phone. What about the toasters that run Linux? or use a Raspberry Pi internally? > ways to load and run instructions not included or designed by the manufacturer but a third party As far as I know an iOS device c…

Show me a single toaster that runs Linux. Or uses a Raspberry Pi. I did not pick a "dumb" toaster. Don't be ridiculous. Most toasters don't even have a LCD display or features like Waffle or Pizza modes. It's on the smarter scale of toaster. I am a third party. I can load a non-Apple approved app onto an iOS device for free. Even ignoring jailbreaking by using Xcode. The app will only work for 7 days before I have to…

Dude, do at least the most basic research. It took me one Amazon search for smart toaster to find a touch screen, programable, toaster.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086H69SJ2/

I’d like to see the Apple 1 emulator please. I’d like to know which of iOS’ permissions you hit first.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by fogihujy »

GeekyBear wrote: post #398
fogihujy wrote: post #340

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> How can that possibly cost $40,000 except through an extreme abuse of monopoly power? Microsoft has to handle patch distribution, patching itself, tech support for patching, complaints and rollbacks and so on for many years after release -- remember, they still provide patches for Xbox 360 games sold in 2005! If something breaks then I expect the total costs for all that could easily exceed $40k for very popular ti…

>Microsoft has to handle patch distribution, patching itself, tech support for patching, complaints and rollbacks and so on for many years after release -- remember, they still provide patches for Xbox 360 games sold in 2005! Apple bears all the same costs for iOS and it all comes out of that same 30% fee. For free apps, they eat all those costs. Hell, Apple provides free in-person customer support as well as support…

Undoubtedly a better deal for many, but that doesn't mean the actual costs for a patch for a popular app can't amount to $40k or more.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by nanna »

sellyme wrote: post #404
nanna wrote: post #369

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Maybe not a great completion rate respective to the amount of games you've got but probably (surely?) with respect to other gamers! If someone asked you to pick your favourite three...?

> If someone asked you to pick your favourite three...? HyperRogue, Hollow Knight, and LOGistICAL.

Thanks!

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by salamandersauce »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #441
salamandersauce wrote: post #438

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Show me a single toaster that runs Linux. Or uses a Raspberry Pi. I did not pick a "dumb" toaster. Don't be ridiculous. Most toasters don't even have a LCD display or features like Waffle or Pizza modes. It's on the smarter scale of toaster. I am a third party. I can load a non-Apple approved app onto an iOS device for free. Even ignoring jailbreaking by using Xcode. The app will only work for 7 days before I have to…

Dude, do at least the most basic research. It took me one Amazon search for smart toaster to find a touch screen, programable, toaster. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086H69SJ2/ I’d like to see the Apple 1 emulator please. I’d like to know which of iOS’ permissions you hit first.

That is so far outside the realm of normal toaster.

You don't need any permission's because it's possible to build entirely within the sandbox of Pythonista!

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by jodrellblank »

realusername wrote: post #426
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #425

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I’ll just say this one last time. You keep making the argument “for the benefit of developers”. If you want to win me and people like me, Apple’s customers, you need to start making arguments “for the benefit of customers”. You want Apple to change? Change the hearts and minds of the people who like Apple’s products and pay Apple. Statements like “the history of the mobile phone market doesn’t matter” or “I don’t car…

I don't bring those arguments because they are irrelevant and outside the topic, there's no clause "unless people like them" in anti trust laws, and there's never going to be one. > For your own sake, please find a better argument rather than repeating yourself. The arguments are there and can't be refuted, every single market analysis (even superficial) shows antitrust issues and you haven't been able to refute a si…

> "The arguments are there and can't be refuted"

I've refuted many of your arguments in this thread. For example, when you claimed that "nobody speaks out against apple", "there are no other mobile OS vendors", "the tech industry can't function with the appstore", "you have no choices", "there are no options if you want to sideload apps". All of them demonstrably (and fairly obviously) incorrect.

That you don't like the alternatives is not the same as them not existing. That they aren't popular is not the same as them not existing. That iOS is "restricted and popular" are not coincidences, nor unfair.

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Post by babypuncher »

echelon wrote: post #401
notriddle wrote: post #207

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Android had Flash. It stank, and the blame for its stinkiness lies entirely on Adobe.

Better than the neck brace we wear around our throats today.

Better than 100% open web standards? What do you think Flash got replaced by that warrants being called a "neck brace"?

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by jodrellblank »

realusername wrote: post #427
jodrellblank wrote: post #419

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> " All your talk about scams is just completely outside the topic " Only if you completely ignore all the things I've been writing. The appstore has restrictions. Those are useful. They are a layer of defense in depth, user protection. > " By the way, in terms of security, the iPhone isn't even the most secure platform right now, you still have tons of private apis, privacy issues and ways to snoop data back, that's…

> Only if you completely ignore all the things I've been writing. The appstore has restrictions. Those are useful. They are a layer of defense in depth, user protection. That's outside of the point of antitrust issues we were talking about but I personally think they're not as effective as the marketing claims. > Then Apple should close those gaps. "It has flaws" is not a reason to turn it into a wide-open free-for-a…

> "Except the TV station doesn't manufacture the TV, and the TV manufacturer does not control TV stations."

Sky, the satellite TV company, made Sky boxes and satellite receivers, which tuned into the Sky service, and sold Sky TV channels.

> "The most technically secure platform is currently the web (yes, far above iOS sandboxing), there's no relation between openness and security."

Security is improved enormously by shrinking attack surface area and closing off entire areas of attack. Not being able to be talked into sideloading a program is obviously more secure than being able to be. "Technically secure" is a different matter, and not relevant to the point I was making - which is that restrictions have benefits, and restrictions are part of the reason iOS is great and all the competitors are terrible, competitors that you variously claim are part of a dominant duopoly and also don't exist.

> "It's like every single example you pick reinforce the fact that there's anti trust issues

It's like every single comment you make ignores the fact that you aren't forced into iOS, that you have alternatives, and pretend you don't.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

salamandersauce wrote: post #444
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #441

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Dude, do at least the most basic research. It took me one Amazon search for smart toaster to find a touch screen, programable, toaster. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086H69SJ2/ I’d like to see the Apple 1 emulator please. I’d like to know which of iOS’ permissions you hit first.

That is so far outside the realm of normal toaster. You don't need any permission's because it's possible to build entirely within the sandbox of Pythonista!

This is the future (5 - 10 years) for every one of the devices we all use.

I’d rather they all prioritize security, rather than extensibility.

Reading more about Pythonista, it’s seems unlikely that you could build a stateful Apple 1 emulator. But even so it looks cool. Arguably a little too permissive for my liking on iOS. I hope Apple closes all of those Inter-App communication channels. That seems like a security risk waiting to happen.

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Post by jsjohnst »

jsjohnst wrote: post #286
throwaway2048 wrote: post #236

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Steam keys sold off steam do not give valve a cut.

Valve is definitely getting some kind of money out of the deal.

I didn’t mean to say they are getting a direct cut as sibling commenters indicated, but Valve definitely is getting at least some kind of money indirectly out of them offering this.
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