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Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by SamBam »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #407
notJim wrote: post #251

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> The new design collapses all responses below the second level I don't follow. I just opened a random comment thread, and counted comments being shown up to seven levels deep (which was the deepest comment.) Is the behavior you describe only if you're logged out or something?

I also don't follow. Here's a screenshot of the current top comment in the current top thread. It's showing 10 levels deep. https://imgur.com/a/itZrtRK

Your screenshot shows old reddit. Either you're using a link to old.reddit.com, or (like me) your user account has set the option to always use old reddit.

Try opening your link in an incognito browser.

If I go to the link posted above [1], I first see a much narrower window (careful, don't click on the black area to the sides, or you'll go back to the subreddit, the whole thing is basically a modal dialog now). Then I see one single comment, and it itself is half cut off. Below it I see a bunch of "related" content: https://imgur.com/a/tyaheDC

If I click the button to expand, I see no comments deeper than two deep: https://imgur.com/a/HDlNYFK

To see deeper any any thread, I have to click a link which doesn't expand the comments but takes me to its own link thread. To get back I need to use the browser back button and my context is lost.

They do not want users to engage with existing comments at all. The first comment is half cut off. The rest are hard to get to. They appear to want you to consume the posted content, and maybe post your own comment if you like.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/modsupport/comments/mbqgx2

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by VectorLock »

TameAntelope wrote: post #93
fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #47

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Eh. Reddit is very unlikely to do that. The subreddits would be overrun with trash pretty quickly.

Moderators provide much less unique/irreplacable value than the current narrative suggests. However, the philosophical positioning Reddit has taken historically is that the Moderators own the subreddits, so yanking one away wholly from the moderation group would mark a substantial shift away from that positioning. Maybe that's a good thing for Reddit, though.

>yanking one away wholly from the moderation group

Not much of a departure -- they've done it.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by hannasanarion »

luc4sdreyer wrote: post #235
wccrawford wrote: post #51

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I think it's even worse than that. They'll remember, but still keep coming back. You can't even blame short memory for it. They literally don't care more than the inconvenience they'd face in going elsewhere for forums. And as long as that's true, the things they dislike will keep happening.

Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.

Setting up an alternative to a huge platform is hard to do. It's not the early days of the social internet any more, there aren't really any "killer features" that might attract users that haven't already been integrated into the big platforms, and "better management" is not the kind of thing that inspires mass adoption.

And if you don't have a killer feature, then you've just made a clone, and you suffer the fate of all social media clones from 8chan to Voat to Vidme to Gab and Parler. As observed by Dan Olson:

> when you compete with a monolith, the first people to jump on board will be the people that were thrown off the other ship, and most of them were thrown off for a reason... before you know whats happened, toxic users will have become your core userbase, and then you're never going to recover.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

tyho wrote: post #259
sillysaurusx wrote: post #155

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I'm confused. Your comment talks about her father and her fiance. What did she do? "Amiee Chancellor is a despicable human being" is pretty heavy, but the only thing related to her in your comment is that "she forged documents in order to hire him as her election agent." Not cool, but is there more here?

She lied to protect a known pedophile. I have limited myself to facts which have been proven in court. As a UK citizen, I am unable to make any statement which I cannot prove, less I be sued for libel. However I'll point out again that she lived in the house, the child was there for days, and there were photos of Amiee and the ten year old victim found by the police on Amiee's phone. There are plenty more facts avail…

I think your edit shows the kind of bind we are in as a society. Transphobia is not worse than protecting pedophiles and torturers of children.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by akhilpotla »

An interesting question I've been thinking about, though I haven't really gotten anywhere is: At what point does a private platform become a public utility, so that censorship is not permissible on the site?

I agree that reddit shouldn't be censoring anyone or certain topics since it feel like a public utility. But if I were to have a blog, I think I should be allowed to block someone or delete certain comments based on how I think my blog should be, but my blog isn't a public utility. Or is it?

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by whymauri »

exar0815 wrote: post #419
Rebelgecko wrote: post #52

Reddit has addressed the situation here, in a mealy mouthed sort of way: https://www.reddit.com/r/modsupport/comments/mbqgx2 However they seem to be denying the accusations that admins (possibly including the individual in question) were manually editing contents containing her name. This whole situation is incredibly bizarre to me. In the first place, why would reddit hire a 23 year old admin whose greatest accompli…

Well, there is also the fact that Ellen Pao, former Reddit CEO, is linked to Partys by Epstein.[1] Also, there was a lot of circumstantial evidence alleging Ghislaine Maxwell was a powerful mod on reddit, with a very disgusting collection of "evidence"[2] [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/ghislaine-maxwell-attended-k... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhil...

Ellen Pao's tweetstorm about Epstein was so bizarre. I honestly viewed her as a good ally and champion for a lot of my values. Seeing her casually divest that she mingled with Epstein and co. completely shattered that.

How can you advocate for women's rights and inclusion while fraternizing with Epstein and not seeing anything wrong with that... man, it bummed me out.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by whymauri »

prepend wrote: post #220
pen2l wrote: post #152

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This gets brought up a lot. And it's a bit of a doozy to make sense of. First, consider the context: the CEO (spez) was an easy punching bag on the_donald subreddit, in fact it was a bit of a meme there to attack reddit's admins (and those in the know do know that the attacks were often crossing a line, like accusing them of being pedophiles and things of the nature). The change that spez made was a bit of a joke its…

> pretty insignifiant in the grand scheme of things. It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. So while the individual edit was not important, the fact that it happened was. And there is an unknown number of other edits that were never disclosed and is unprovable. So Reddit broke the one thing it’s supposed to do- al…

>It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance.

Uh, this was already known by then, though. What made it significant is that it happened to be spez.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by SamBam »

Spivak wrote: post #114
testfoobar wrote: post #65

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I miss humor and authenticity from old reddit the most. E.g. the classic: "I also choose this guy's dead wife." or the AMA with the vacuum repair guy. These days just about any popular thread that I wander into, I see wide swaths of "deleted" comments. I'm sure they were deleted for many good and valid reasons. IMHO, reddit's aggressive moderation suppresses spontaneous comments and is off putting to lurkers. The wit…

Are we on the same Reddit? All of the comments in popular subs are off-topic rehashed jokes. It's a struggle to find on-topic discussion in anything but the smallest subs.

I agree. I probably see that "I also choose this guy's dead wife"-style comment dozens of times.

Admittedly, I think I see those more on obviously humor subreddits (r/jokes) or smaller subreddits. I'm actually happy that places like r/science delete comments that are simply effortless jokes.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by [deleted] »

ALittleLight wrote: post #408
phreack wrote: post #150

Why did they even hire such a controversial person in the first place? It's baffling how they're doubling down on defending her after her previous actions. I wonder if this'll all cool down in a couple of days with everyone forgetting about this or if there'll be a new established rhetoric in inflammatory communities like 'reddit admins are confirmed pedophiles'.

From wikipedia Aimee's accomplishments seem to be resigning in disgrace from a couple of minor political positions and convincing a transportation department to stop using the phrase "ladies and gentlemen". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

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Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by tjs8rj »

mam2 wrote: post #292
musingsole wrote: post #281

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> - any job close to children, which includes in particular... Schools! Oh...you went a different route. Right, we don't acknowledge the widespread sexual misconduct and cover-ups in the schools for another 5 years in this timeline because the church story was just so juicy.

I absolutely meant school on this bullet point :) (i edited)

I don’t remember where I heard it but I recall some stat that child sexual abuse reports are just as common in public schools as they are in religious organizations
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