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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

sneak wrote: post #430
abduhl wrote: post #424

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You start by saying "you feel your options are limited to X or Y" and then go on to say "X is the last refuge of the incompetent, do nothing" implying there is some other option besides Y when you do nothing? So your real response is: when confronted with someone who refuses to engage with you on the level of a decent human being, just take it. This doesn't seem like the way civilization works to me. You've edited in…

I didn't say to do nothing, or to just take it.

Correct. You simply avoided answering the question, which implies you'd 'do nothing, and take it'

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by stjohnswarts »

spaced-out wrote: post #237
lotsofpulp wrote: post #217

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> The system we have created around real estate and home ownership is optimized to erode culture and atomize community. We like to pretend that this is somehow inevitable, the will of the market, but we need to own it - this is the world we have built for ourselves. How is it not the will of the market? I don’t see any option other than to limit people’s freedom to move about the city/state/country.

What's pushing people out is the rising cost of property, caused by more and more money bidding for less space. If the government had done more to create more space, prices would not have risen so dramatically. What if government policy for the last few decades had been to keep housing as affordable as possible. So if average rent in a city started increasing, the government would make sure new apartments and got bui…

It's the property taxes that kick people out. There should be a graded scale that caps how much property taxes can rise in a year. Say 1% for current owners (or at most the rate of inflation). That would slow a LOT of this down. Sure change is inevitable but let people have a chance to adjust.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by whoknew1122 »

I grew up in Austin and had to move due to some family obligations. Every time I get back, I recognize less and less of my city and its culture. I used to want to move back, but now I'm not sure what I'd be returning to.

Oh, and for the unnamed woman worried about drug distribution, it's not local Black or Latino gangs that run drug distribution in Austin.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #434
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300

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So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

Those are inextricably locked up with race in America, you aren't paying attention to statistics if you don't think there's correlation. Sure there are poor whites. but your chance of being poor and white is much lower than if you're black or latino. A huge portion of it does depend on who currently holds wealth and that is extremely weighted towards white people. The bootstrapping methodology/theory only gets you so…

I am not sure how any of these justifies talking only about race and ignoring economic conditions. Sure, race can’t be swept under the rug, and I didn’t said it should be. It is overemphasized at expense of other issues.

It is especially weird when you look at the history of the concept “gentrification”, even the word comes from “gentry”, which basically means upper class, and it exists also in monoethnic cities. The basis of the issue doesn’t lie in the race.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by olivermarks »

toolz wrote: post #166
olivermarks wrote: post #34

A variation of this rinsing out of any local culture is going on in Sacramento County California, where arguably gentrification has resulted in a 2019 autocratic edict that residents are not allowed to work on cars in their homes except fluid changes, with fines if you are found to have professional tools on the premises. https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/it-is-illegal-to... Since Sacramento County is appro…

Why does it seem like people feel the need to make anything they can about race? (Maybe I'm just overly sensitive and it doesn't happen as much as I perceive, to be fair) I don't agree with the law, but literally every race owns vehicles. Why complicate the issue with racism if there doesn't need to be any complication? Seems like a clear cut issue that people can unite over that instead is being made into a minority…

@toolz Speaking as someone who works on cars at a build level a lot I'm highly aware many motorsports are healthily cross cultural. I normally avoid discussion of gender, sexuality and race but in this case the overly vague Sacramento County law could be ignored on one street and strictly enforced on the next. You then get into zoning and class issues which are going to unfairly penalize certain people.

It's useful law to stop irresponsible people who are running engines and impact wrenches all day in a residential neighborhood but legally is a dangerous catch all that could ruin a lot of people's car hobbyist lives

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by stjohnswarts »

donatj wrote: post #222
dionidium wrote: post #209

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> Heck, my upstairs neighbor complained about my music on the weekend during the day without introducing themselves and not diplomatically. Tangential (and probably just a perennial old guy complaint), but it seems like people have forgotten how to do this. If you have an issue with something your neighbor is doing, then go talk to them . Don't leave an aggressive note. Don't let it boil over until you're so upset yo…

Honestly I think the loss of humans just talking to others is the primary cause of most of our modern problems.

It's not. Most of our problems are caused by wealth inequality, racism, and amoral politicians.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

rajin444 wrote: post #398
harles wrote: post #309

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Requiring cultural integration is a slippery slope.

Yeah, you might end up with class solidarity and move past racial divisions.

Along those lines --

The best thing about this article is that it's

a.) Black and Latino car enthusiasts, and

b.) Texans who hate "libtards"

finding common cause against white ladies who say "toxic masculinity" with a straight face.

There's a political future hidden in that.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by whack »

jbroson wrote: post #432
whack wrote: post #355

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> With that said, I think there are legitimate criticisms about the car club. For one, they absolutely trash the place every Sunday. When I walk down to the lake on Monday, there’s just tons of trash on the ground. I don’t know who picks it up but it’s certainly not the car club. Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful wh…

"Sounds to me like those legitimate criticisms are exactly what the "insane Weaver residents" are complaining about." Really, the white dude who complained to the cops to do something about the black and latino car club because they are "scary" is just genuinely concerned about law and order and the imperative that all minor violations of local codes must always be enforced? Color me skeptical. Calling the cops on sc…

Talk about a strawman. Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons? Sure. Are there more people would would have complained because they don't want their residential neighborhood to:

- be filled with thrash

- smell like burning rubber

- violate noise ordinances

every single Sunday? Yes. Most middle-aged people do not want to live in such an environment, and neither do I. This is exactly why residential zoning laws exist, and most people support some form of restrictions in residential neighborhoods. Not sure what there is to be skeptical about.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by cl0ne »

whack wrote: post #449
jbroson wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sounds to me like those legitimate criticisms are exactly what the "insane Weaver residents" are complaining about." Really, the white dude who complained to the cops to do something about the black and latino car club because they are "scary" is just genuinely concerned about law and order and the imperative that all minor violations of local codes must always be enforced? Color me skeptical. Calling the cops on sc…

Talk about a strawman. Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons? Sure. Are there more people would would have complained because they don't want their residential neighborhood to: - be filled with thrash - smell like burning rubber - violate noise ordinances every single Sunday? Yes. Most middle-aged people do not want to live in such an environment, and neither do I. This is exactly why resid…

Then they should have done some research about the neighborhood they were moving into.
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