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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by KptMarchewa »

IntelMiner wrote: post #185
birktj wrote: post #39

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My xiaomi notebook looks a bit like a mac clone and as 2x USB-C ports and 2x USB-A ports. It is not without its problems, but if you want a reasonably priced laptop that looks like a mac I would say it is a pretty good choice.

I'd have to disagree. I bought the Mibook Pro a few years ago after it seemed to get quite good reviews, but it is an absolutely miserable machine to use The iGPU has a hard-locked 64MB of RAM allocated to it, which means the Nvidia graphics chip is ALWAYS on, causing it to get maybe 2~ hours of battery life at best The build quality is miserable, I ended up replacing all of the screws in the machine to make it more…

Besides build quality, the problems you have are with Nvidia. What should Red Hat do? Forward your strongly worded email to Nvidia?

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Post by KptMarchewa »

jbverschoor wrote: post #53
simias wrote: post #44

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Apple can design custom everything and has the economy of scale to justify it. The PC space is also more competitive, Apple managed to associate their brand with luxury and charge a huge premium for their hardware, a laptop with equivalent specs would struggle massively to sell at the same price when you could purchase similarly powerful laptops for half the cost that would run the same software. At this point Apple…

It wasn't always the case. Also, Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. have more than enough economy of scale. $1000 for the M1 air is not a huge premium. It's actually very cheap.

Just before M1 it was hugely uncompetitive. Higher ended macs throttled thermally so bad that using more than browser with 10 tabs and Jetbrains IDE caused them to grind to a halt.

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Post by indymike »

eertami wrote: post #239
justaguy88 wrote: post #224

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> could just be my sight It is 1080p to 4k is such a large difference

Really? On a 13" display? I bet in a blind AB test at a normal viewing distance you wouldn't even be able to accurately tell me which is which.

I'm pretty sure most people see a huge difference between a old-style MacBook Air screen and a MacBook Pro screen. The Air is a 1080p 13in display. The Pro isn't even 4k, but the difference is extremely noticeable, especially if you are looking at a document or code (even from 24-36 in away). Seeing the difference between Apple's retina display and 4k? Well, that is difficult.

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

nightowl_games wrote: post #413
samatman wrote: post #401

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I've considered it! I use an ErgoDox, and there's just enough space in the middle for a numpad. But I often stick my phone there, and I just don't think I'd use it very often. Technically I can pop up a layer to turn the right side keys into a numpad (advantage of ortholinear) but I don't quite have the muscle memory to really take advantage of it so that's basically wasted. I've mulled over having a special lighting…

I've been thinking about buying a trackpad and an ergodox and putting the trackpad in the middle. Think it will fit? Think that's a good idea? Where do you put the mouse when using an ergodox?

I have a Moonlander and a Magic Trackpad. I tried putting it in the middle and you can make it fit, but I haven't found it to be very comfortable. My keyboard is slightly tilted, so moving my hand to the middle also necessitates vertical movement, so overall I prefer it off to the right side. For minor movements I just use a mouse mapped to the keyboard and I want to try a trackball on my right as well.

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Post by antattack »

al_chemist wrote: post #127
antattack wrote: post #122

Given that Display specs are not front-and-center, my guess it's a TFT panel. Combine that with 1080p resolution and this laptop is might (no GtG or refresh specs) be good for gaming but not any serious typing or designing.

How serious is your typing?

Sometimes, when I type colon and close parenthesis people laugh. But, that's an exception.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by paranoidrobot »

ficklepickle wrote: post #431
paranoidrobot wrote: post #402

I'll give System76 (and their hardware partner) this: They're getting closer to something I'd buy. This looks like a good option for a 15.6" laptop. My issue with it is that they're still shipping with those barrel plugs AC adapters, and don't appear to support USB-PD for charging on the USB-C ports. The lack of Australian support also makes it a difficult purchase - a former colleague bought a System76 laptop a few…

For $86 at purchase you get free shipping for warranty issues (Canada, may be more for Aus)

> Shipping Coverage

> Canadian customers only - covers all shipping for warranty service.

> Canada warranty two way ground shipping coverage +$65

They don't offer it for Australia.

I'd be surprised if they would - you'd be looking at air-freight, and from prior experience shipping a Lenovo laptop to Australia it was over USD$150, and that was 10 years ago - so probably more now.

Australia to the US would be even more still.

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Post by latch »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #436
latch wrote: post #398

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I'm on my 2nd XPS 13. I switched to it and linux after being severely impacted by the butterfly keyboard (i.e. having to fly to a different country to get it repaired, only to have it break again a few months later). I don't _hate_ the XPS 13, but I wouldn't recommend it and I probably won't be getting a 3rd one (unless they change). The build quality just isn't there. First of all, the flexible chassis is annoying.…

They got rid of the butterfly keyboard on the latest Macs, no?

Yes, but I prefer Ubuntu and I'm under the impression that running Linux on Macbook's isn't great ??

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Post by lewispollard »

dathinab wrote: post #435
Macha wrote: post #196

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Honestly find it hard to notice much difference in the display quality between my 1080p 2018 XPS laptop and my 1800p 2019 Mac laptop. Actually the XPS is slightly preferable to me because the matte vs glossy finish outweighs the extra resolution at that size for me. I guess that could just be my sight, but the reviews for the XPS laptop vs the 4k model of the same were pretty much unanimous on the 4k variant being a…

Theoretically the best balance between high resolution (you can't see any single "normal" pixel anymore at normal viewing distance and normal eye sight) and battery usage is 1440p. But support for 1440p on Linux (and as far as I know not just Linux) is crap. Anyway in my experience having a high quality display is much much much more important then the display resolution (as long as it's at least 1080p).

No issues running multiple 1440p, 144hz monitors on Linux for me.

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Post by rattray »

aasasd wrote: post #390
rattray wrote: post #291

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This debate makes me wonder what it'd be like to have a keyboard layout in which the num pad is in the middle of the keyboard, such that on a qwerty keyboard Q-T, A-G, Z-V are on one side and Y-P, H-L, B-M on another, with the numbers in the middle (separated by a buffer space). I know this sounds crazy, but IME the worst part of keyboard ergonomics on mac laptops is that my hands are much closer together than my sho…

I've been vaguely pining for an Advantage keyboard with a trackpad in the middle. In a typical display of mainstream keyboard makers being completely stuck on the same track, keyboards with an embedded trackpad have it on the right, despite laptops providing a ubiquitous example right in our faces and hands.

Interesting... are there any keyboards with a trackball in a position easily accessible by the right thumb? (I haven't used a trackball myself but I've heard good things...)

EDIT: hadn't seen the sibling commenter mention https://atulloh.github.io/oddball/ which looks interesting, but perhaps too minimal for my taste (eg; where's the space button?)

Ergodox, if you're reading this, an integrated trackpad/trackball solution would be pretty appealing!

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Post by aasasd »

rattray wrote: post #449
aasasd wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been vaguely pining for an Advantage keyboard with a trackpad in the middle. In a typical display of mainstream keyboard makers being completely stuck on the same track, keyboards with an embedded trackpad have it on the right, despite laptops providing a ubiquitous example right in our faces and hands.

Interesting... are there any keyboards with a trackball in a position easily accessible by the right thumb? (I haven't used a trackball myself but I've heard good things...) EDIT: hadn't seen the sibling commenter mention https://atulloh.github.io/oddball/ which looks interesting, but perhaps too minimal for my taste (eg; where's the space button?) Ergodox, if you're reading this, an integrated trackpad/trackball sol…

Afaik the ‘Ultimate Hacking Keyboard’ does that via its modules: http://xahlee.info/kbd/iergo/UHK_addon_modules_trackball_330...

Turns out it even has a touchpad, though its size is pitiful. Alas the whole keyboard reeks more of ‘mechanical + wacky layout‘ approach, with dubious ergonomics aside from the split halves.

Otherwise, trackballs on keyboards don't seem too rare: image search turns up this Adesso board (https://www.hippo-deals.com/products-images/1500/65915.jpg or better-ish https://www.adesso.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2017061601...), something named KeyTronic, etc.

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