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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by Can_Not »

thepasswordis wrote: post #19
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

You're absolutely correct. Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning. How on earth could the "counter culture" be the hegemonic culture of the most powerful billionaires on earth, and the people who have the most power over the most people in their daily lives (HR departments for adults, school administrators for ch…

> Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning.

Did you forget this is a US based website? Are you posting from China?

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Post by 1123581321 »

anticensor wrote: post #427
1123581321 wrote: post #112

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What incident are you referring to? Having trouble searching for it.

There are multiple occurances of that. They do that when they fail to identify the actual offender or they ban for a non-existent reason ("just to ban it"). If they find the actual offender, things differ and actual offender gets banned.

That makes sense. I’m just looking to read some forum drama, or something, about one of these moments. Doesn’t have to be a news article.

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Post by Zak »

lc9er wrote: post #322
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

Messaging apps that were popular in the early 2000s had fairly sophisticated concepts about how available a user was at any given time. That seems to be absent or significantly degraded in most of what's popular now.

I want to be able to indicate my availability or lack thereof to any of my regular contacts before they send a message, indicate how urgent a message is when sending it, and control what level of urgency triggers a notification (with an option to put urgency limits on specific contacts if they misuse it).

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Post by tjalfi »

cainxinth wrote: post #401
GuB-42 wrote: post #311

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> When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over. I think I have seen the same argument about anime conventions. The idea is that a trend starts with a small group of passionate people, as things get bigger and more popular, followers arrive. Followers are not really passionate, they just jump on the bandwagon, but will leave and jump on an…

> And it is not all bad. While the community is less genuine, it is also more productive, if anything, just from the sheer numbers. And it’s basically just a natural and recurring cycle: Phase 1: Novel thinker creates something new Phase 2: Early adopters pick it up Phase 3: General public joins in Phase 4: Early adopters get crowded out by newcomers and turned off by lack of ‘authenticity’ and either retreat to obsc…

The article Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths[0] also discusses this cycle.

[0] https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

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Post by petre »

Zak wrote: post #443
lc9er wrote: post #322

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The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

Messaging apps that were popular in the early 2000s had fairly sophisticated concepts about how available a user was at any given time. That seems to be absent or significantly degraded in most of what's popular now. I want to be able to indicate my availability or lack thereof to any of my regular contacts before they send a message, indicate how urgent a message is when sending it, and control what level of urgency…

Probably because they're mobile and disconnected most if the time, so they don't have to advertise your availability status periodically. In the 2000s they mostly advertised that the user was away from the terminal. Nowadays one has the terminal in their pocket. Some of the old IM systems have a mobile status now. The busy status was ignored successfully then as it is now.

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Post by RHSman2 »

airhead969 wrote: post #197
wussboy wrote: post #174

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I hadn't heard "antisocial media" before but I love it

The antisocial social club most def raises the Jolly Roger flag against "social" media. ;-] At some point, I just want a private platform that is paid for using microcredits, no ads/data harvesting, requires verified named people with faces (improved communication quality), connections only stay alive if you actually interact with them IRL, doesn't automatically share everything with everyone in a single context, and…

I have this idea I’m rolling around and to make it non-capitalist it does need to be funded in some way. Assuming this product fulfilled a human need what is the financial paradigm shift (I mean, who pays for anything these days?)?

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Post by cambalache »

monocasa wrote: post #237
cambalache wrote: post #212

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No. Most "radical" subs will be suppressed or otherwise banned by selectively enforcing the rules. For every rule broken in r/thedonald or r/chapotraphouse you could find dozens of similar examples in r/news and r/politics.

You can absolutely find subreddits dedicated to pretty much every extremist position to this day.

Wait for them to grow up to even a modest number of subscribers. First they will be brigaded (with no action from the admins), then they will be quarantined and lastly they will be outright banned.

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Post by old_fart_dev »

helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

Social media is the neighborhood bar, virtualized, with infinite seats at the bar, but no beer nuts (or beer). Truly one of the saddest places in the world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJW19nlzb3Q

Anyone can pull up a seat to the bar and many people do. Inmate conversations are drowned out by shouting matches over politics, sports, or whatever has raised passions that day. And there's constant yells of "What the #@$@ are you looking at?" coming from random patron to another. And hundreds of bar promotions for any and everything under the sun.

Doubt members of the countercultural are going to want to hang out at the largest Buffalo Wild Wings...

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Post by skinnymuch »

8ytecoder wrote: post #359
Jtsummers wrote: post #345

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Turn off notifications. Text is inherently asynchronous letting you answer when you can. Phone calls that aren’t for a conversation are much more intrusive.

Exactly. Texting gives control to the receiver on how and when to respond. Calling takes away that control. I wish voice messages were more common though. In iMessage you could simply place your phone near your ear and start talking to send a voice message. I don’t see many people use that or even aware of that.

It’s not feature full. It’s not easy to rewind or fast forward. You can’t change the speed of the memo. If your phone switches tilts - horizontal to vertical, usually the memo is lost.

Those aren’t what is keeping iMessage memos from being used however they frustrate me as I have gotten used to Otter.ai and Telegram years earlier.

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Post by skinnymuch »

airhead969 wrote: post #288
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

Would you be content with chatbots, a sex doll, and living in an undersea bubble? If so (I doubt it), great, go for it. If not: don't answer, silent mode, or power off, or appreciate human contact when you do. If people are "calling too much," it's because you failed to train them how to interact with you. And, now you're resenting their assuming it was okay because you were too "nice" to be honest. Instead of mind-r…

You said “sorry bud” but complaining About being rude and mean?
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