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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Well yeah, I have a daughter who finished high school and I've observed: - when I was in school I only cared about results for the subjects that interested me; otherwise i did just enough to pass - when she was in school she cared about high grades for all subjects

We can't attribute any meaning to your post unless you tell us your gender.

I think the poster is making a comparison, and is therefor presumably male.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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This won't sound very PC, but despite all the bullshit about equality, men need to be better than women. Women demand that men are better than women. If we are going to end up with a situation where women have higher income potentials than men, nobody will be happy. Women will feel like they cannot find anyone suitable and men will feel like they are inadequate.

You're right on this one, and I hope you don't see mass downvotes for this. Men are physically stronger and more athletic on average, and it's so extreme that hilarious stories like this [1] come out when top-tier female athletes try to compete against men in some sports. Woman simply do not want to be working the same kind of manual labor jobs at the rate that that men have for this reason, and it would be extremely…

It is also true of incomes which is mostly what I was talking about. Women strongly prefer men with higher earning potential than themselves, and this preference increases as financial incomes of women increase.[1]

A society where women cannot find husbands with higher earning potentials would create a marriage crisis.

[1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jomf.12372

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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We can't attribute any meaning to your post unless you tell us your gender.

I think the poster is making a comparison, and is therefor presumably male.

We are on NH, so we can assume everyone's gender with reasonable accuracy...

But this type of assumption seems to have unforeseen consequences. We should question it.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Deliberately changing the intent of someone's words may be a common rhetorical device but it's not engaging with the argument at hand.

This isn't a formal debate. There isn't just 1 argument at hand. People bring up tangential points all the time.

It's not a formal debate, but I think it's rude to misinterpret someone in this way. It's not even a tangential point, because it's not actually connected - it's parallel.

And sure, people do that all the time. People do all sorts of things. It doesn't mean they are communicating effectively, getting any kind of point across or coming to any conclusion at all.

I could start into semantics too, for example saying that people don't bring up tangential points because tangents aren't points they are lines. It wouldn't be a good idea, because it wouldn't further the discussion at all. That's basically what I see happened here.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Not really. I'd argue that standardized tests are much better than grades. Particularly for any grade level below university. At university level, the grades are more accurate (but still flawed) because the grade is typically 70-80% test and quiz based. My experience in the US with grades for middle school and high school is that it's 85-90% non-examination based-- Meaning it's essentially a measure for how well you…

Then you have a population training for the test and you end up with people that are overfit for the standardized test and underfit for reality.

Yes, this. Not to say that fitness for test and fitness for reality aren't correlated. They just aren't the same. All in all I just wonder if we don't overvalue competition (the reason I we probably have grades) and undervalue passion.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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With shrinking recess time and PE disappearing from some schools, I also wonder if a lot of this is caused by boys having more energy and needing more movement than girls. Energy has to go somewhere so it ends up manifesting itself in behaviors that are deemed "disruptive" (really, not sitting still and being unable to concentrate on tasks). Maybe it's something that female administrators and teachers fail to underst…

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

Depends on the medication. If they're on stims in particular, and the meds actually improve their behavior, then the cause most likely isn't insufficient PE time.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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The point is that status is low and working conditions poor and you're not respected - see the lack of American STEM grad students who realize they are basically pawns of the profs and administration who just listen to the lawyers and undergrads who pay the bills (outside of top research institutions)

But foreigners can be white too (Europe, Russia, Asia) with all the implications, so the OP’s skin color is not relevant here.

I am in eastern Europe and our foreign students are all from Asia. Huge mental shortcut.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Where is the free will of individuals factored in? I mean, if people in group A don't want to do job B, should we force them to reach parity? I think it's better to ensure equal opportunities and let people decide.

that is one of the reasons I said my approach was a good start. It's unclear, in a truly equal opportunity society, what the gender preference breakdowns for specific job roles would be. A simple first order approximation is "no preference".

> A simple first order approximation is "no preference".

That's a reasonable first-order approximation, but it seems not to be reflected in the data, which show that as societies become more equal, gender disparities in field choice increase.

See: "Countries with greater gender equality have a lower percentage of female STEM graduates" (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180214150132.h...)

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

With shrinking recess time and PE disappearing from some schools, I also wonder if a lot of this is caused by boys having more energy and needing more movement than girls. Energy has to go somewhere so it ends up manifesting itself in behaviors that are deemed "disruptive" (really, not sitting still and being unable to concentrate on tasks). Maybe it's something that female administrators and teachers fail to underst…

> It would also explain the current epidemic of ADHD and especially ADHD medication prescribed to young boys.

It's a common trope, but AFAIK ADHD has a big hereditary component and currently is deemed to be extremely underdiagnosed in girls and adults in general, so I think this cliche isn't holding water. I will agree that modern schooling is extremely good at surfacing the symptoms (but then so is adult life in general, if you know what to look for).

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