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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by orthecreedence »

heroHACK17 wrote: post #156

This product would make more sense if they defined "consumer" as "engineer-inclined consumer". Swapping parts will drive the everyday consumer away from this product.

No? This opens up an entire repair market for normal consumers as well. Instead of buying a whole new laptop, you can replace the screen, or the keyboard, or etc etc.

Just because you won't be doing the repair yourself doesn't mean "welp, repairable laptops are dumb and only nerds will use them!" Just means you don't have to buy a new laptop every time one little thing breaks.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by dublinben »

meetups323 wrote: post #422
boogies wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

For general working, trackpad is better. You can type and move the mouse without moving your hands.

Did you mean a trackpoint? How can you type and move the mouse without moving your hands with a trackpad?

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Post by Alupis »

nrp wrote: post #183
samizdis wrote: post #103

Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone?

I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc.

Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose the ports I need! Love that!

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by kieranl »

robotnikman wrote: post #281
skavi wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There doesn’t seem to be much space left for a large battery. Do you have any estimates on capacity?

Now I'm curious if extra batteries will be possible to plug into the modules

technically possible as all 4 ports support usb-c PD, but the modules are not big enough to support any reasonable capacity. It is a path to connect something like a slice battery that you could attach to the bottom however!

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by GordonS »

wishinghand wrote: post #352
jblow wrote: post #153

Hi, When I saw this announcement I was hoping that I could finally buy a laptop with a good trackpad, with buttons, and a good keyboard again. But looking at the announcement, it seems like trackpad and keyboard quality are far from anyone's mind, and it just looks like the laptop is copying Apple stylistically like everyone else, which means it is going to be kind-of unusable and I won't want to use it. (Especially…

It's strange to see a complaint about the Apple trackpad, because whenever I use a non-Apple laptop, I despair at the trackpad. The current design is too large, but the pre-USB-C models had a perfect size and UX. I haven't ever experienced an equal.

The Apple trackpad seems to be really polarising - I often this see on HN: fans surprised anyone would dislike it, and opponents surprised anyone would like it!

Personally, I'm in the latter camp. I have a 13" MBP, and find the buttons need way too much pressure, even with the sensitivity ramped up. There's also something I can't quantify... there's a feeling of it being laggy, and somehow "unpleasant" to drag my finger across. I prefer just about every other trackpad I've ever used, even those in dirt cheap netbooks.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by deadmutex »

nrp wrote: post #57
nightowl_games wrote: post #34

Honestly this is exactly what I want (quality, repairable, upgradable), but I'm not all in yet. I feel like this space is extremely hard to break into, and I'm worried about their ability to pull it off. Is there massive capital in this corp? Will the price be really high? I'd pay a premium for this kind of thing, but if they start crowd funding it's gonna seem like a red flag.

We have the funding we need to bring the product to market (an odd downstream benefit of Oculus getting bought by Facebook), but we will be taking pre-orders with a deposit prior to shipping to make sure our SKU mix and production rates are matched to actual demand. We won't be asking consumers to pay a premium for longevity, but it's nice to hear that you'd be willing to!

How often will you be pushing out new releases? every 18 months? 24? etc.

Personally, I am waiting until av1 hardware decoders are more common, and BT 5 LE Audio (so they can stream to wireless headsets easily) is out as well.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by zepearl »

GordonS wrote: post #370

This looks absolutely fantastic! Any plans for a larger version, 14/15", or maybe even 16"?

I'll add that I'm looking since forever for a 16+/17'' *thin" laptop (currently using a Lenovo P71, which is a brick) - for some reason nowadays there are hundreds of 13/14/15'' laptops which are thin, but 17'' are always huge - the only thin one that exists, as far as I know, is the LG Gram 17, which is not available with my country's keyboard layout (Swiss German).

Very important things for me would be the keyboard (normal layout, include insert&delete&pgup/down&home&end-keys arrowkeys should have a bump or similar to be located easily without watching, ideally as well a number pad - the one of Lenovo is excellent) and the resolution (FullHD not good enough on a 17'' - must be something higher, max 4k, ideally IPS). About the rest: normal CPU (at least 4 threads), normal RAM (8GB probably not enough, better 16GB), normal storage (1 normal SSD/NVME), maybe an ethernet connection, no separate/discrete GPU, no cd/dvd, 2 USB connectors, no superfast/superhot CPU in any case something which does not make the fan spin up often, does not have to be superlight.

Cheers & good luck :)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by mottosso »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #372
IQunder130 wrote: post #313

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I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.

I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I felt that way until I got my hands on a Surface Book. They did a good job on that one, still holding up after 4+ years of constant use.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by musingsole »

nrp wrote: post #410
jedimastert wrote: post #374

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This might be a silly question, but it looks like the adapters are just usb-c/thunderbolt devices with a nice case. Is this the case? I'm not knocking it if it is, I personally think it'd be pretty clever, but it means being able to use them in other places (like pretending the storage expansion thing is just a usb-c flash-drive) and it would have interesting implications for making them.

That's correct. That is one of the intended use cases for our Storage Expansion Cards. You can use it on your Framework Laptop, pop it out, plug it into an other machine that supports USB-C, and transfer files at high speed.

I'm in love.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Brakenshire »

sixothree wrote: post #417
boogies wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

Let me introduce you to the developers whose primary machine is a laptop without a mouse. Or a second screen.

I actually use the touchpad for scrolling even when I’m using a mouse. It’s a much better interface for that purpose.
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