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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Modern ad networks are essentially the “fax machine flyers” of old: someone you don’t know using your resources and your time, denying you use of your own resources temporarily, to send you something you don’t want. Except now it’s like every “normal” fax page includes 15,000 flyers.

Some pages don't let you "Reject All" cookies, you have to uncheck them one by one, and there's literally hundreds of ad networks listed. It's spooky, I tell ya!

Sites can set as many cookies as they want. I have installed temporary containers (that is a Firefox only feature sadly), 15 minutes after I close the last tab in that group all those cookies are automatically deleted.

Each tab group then has its own cookie container, so I can have multiple groups open and they don't share anything - I can login to different google (or any other service) accounts in different contains and it works like I want it to.

For the sites that I want to use logged in, I either create a special container for that site only, or I just use a password manager to log me in each time I need to visit it.

The added privacy is great, the peace of mind in just clicking I agree is great.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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I still use checks because in the US there are certain things you can't use a credit card for, e.g. loan payments. I pay contractors with checks because almost none accept credit cards and cash gets cumbersome once you start getting into 4 and 5 digits. My local utilities all charge a "convenience fee" of a few dollars when paying online or with a credit card. Sending a check in the mail costs me only $0.50. (Even th…

Can't you use a wire-transfer or an ACH transfer? All those use cases are easily solved with electronic transactions in most of Europe, Asia and even in Latin American countries like brazil. They are usually inexpensive or free and instantaneous.

Wire transfers from my bank in the US require me to call up and make a request.

Writing a check is the fastest way for me to transfer between two accounts. :(

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Twitter uses these type of cookies. They even use cookies that do not contain any reference to the twitter domain. It is how they track people who have been suspended on the platform

I haven't looked into Twitter's cookies specifically, but if I understood you correctly, I think you're misinformed about what the domain of a cookie does. It's normal to not specify the domain because that's the only way to exclude subdomains, which is important for security.

I think he means that they use another domain (third-party cookies), not that they have no domain at all

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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To me, there is no such thing as an “ethical ad”. You are trying to steal my attention, my time. You don’t get to do that. My time on Earth is limited and you don’t get a millisecond of it if I can help it. If I want to buy something, I seek it out. Anything else is a waste of my time and a waste of the advertisers money. I long ago decided to throw out every piece of physical ad mail I receive without even glancing…

Great morally charged argument, but I am not sure how you expect content creators to monetize.

Charge money, either directly for the content, or indirectly in the form of patronage or a service or other business you run.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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A lot of people accept that which is beyond their control. That doesn't mean they are Ok with it, just that they don't know how to do anything about it or often that it's even happening.

Wasn't there an article about paying with your face around here just a bit ago? People clearly don't just tolerate this, but embrace it. Only people from places where it's too late to go back (like China) are aware of the dangers of these systems, but they can hardly warn the rest of us and when they do, we generally don't listen as "something like that surely wouldn't happen in my free country". It would seem that p…

> People clearly don't just tolerate this, but embrace it.

If there were an opt-in way of doing this, it wouldn't bother me. Similarly with online tracking, if it were opt in only, it wouldn't bother me.

What is frustrating is the lack of transparency or ability to control who and where my data is collected.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Use your browser settings to block third-party cookies altogether. And, better yet, install uBlock Origin and never see an ad again.

> never see an ad again I wish that were true. Although uBlock Origin does a good job, some ads definitely still make it through. There are also some sites that detect ad blockers and refuse to let you in unless you disable it. There are workarounds for some of these, but it's still a bit of a mess.

> There are also some sites that detect ad blockers and refuse to let you in unless you disable it.

That, and when there's an email subscription popup, is when the one-click JS toggle extension comes out. Can't detect anything if it can't run any code in your browser.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Use your browser settings to block third-party cookies altogether. And, better yet, install uBlock Origin and never see an ad again.

Please don't. Unless you are willing to pay for the services you are using for free now, ads is what keeps them "free". You can object to being targeted based on your browsing habits, but don't stop ads altogether.

It's my device and it's my choice what it's allowed to load and display to me. It's not my responsibility to make sure someone who provides their service for free earns money from shitting into my brain. Implied contracts aren't a thing for me. If you want to make sure you get paid for your service, put up a paywall.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Great morally charged argument, but I am not sure how you expect content creators to monetize.

Well, to be blunt, in my humble opinion more than 90% of "content creators" trying to monetize their content with ads currently produce content of so low quality, that world would be a better place without their content. So if my ad blocker helps any of those to change their career, I am happy.

Even with ad monetization, if their content is of no use, they will disappear if they survive on said ad monetization. Content creation on the web is hard enough to suffer from removing the major monetization avenue without a suitable alternative.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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I had to use a Fax machine in 2018. In the United States. As the only acceptable way to submit certain documents. I should also point to non-Unitedstatians that checks (that physical paper worth as much money as you write and sign on it) are still in use in the USA.

I still use checks because in the US there are certain things you can't use a credit card for, e.g. loan payments. I pay contractors with checks because almost none accept credit cards and cash gets cumbersome once you start getting into 4 and 5 digits. My local utilities all charge a "convenience fee" of a few dollars when paying online or with a credit card. Sending a check in the mail costs me only $0.50. (Even th…

what on earth is banking doing over there in the US? I wouldn't know how to write a cheque these days if I wanted to, and the only cheque I've seen in the last 10 years or so is from my (now deceased) grandmother in-law sending birthday money to my wife.

I'm guessing this is why several US payment companys and start-ups just don't make any sense to me: "make payments easier!"

but it's hard for me to understand how to make it easier than just typing in someone's phone number or email and sending them money, or purchasing via tap and go with your card/ phone. Don't you at least have electronic transfers if not those other newfangled technologies? are you (seriously) suggesting you can't transfer money between your accounts?

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