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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by jf22 »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #430
jf22 wrote: post #412

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It's not that he "didn't support the narrative". He believed a story with little evidence and his journalistic integrity became questionable.

Thats a mischaraterization at best, which is sort of my point. What GG said and his real positions don't matter. What matters is he bucked the narrative (mostly when he pushed against the propaganda push that the HB laptop leak was of Russian origin) and that made him bad, and then the justifications for his "bad" label were found afterwards. They don't hold up to scrutiny but the character assassination is done alre…

I followed him on Twitter before he left the intercept and before Substack. I used to respect him.

He thought the laptop story was true and barked about it for days. He had no evidence to think it was true, it just was to him.

His substack work was after he humiliated himself on Twitter and is largely trying to justify how stupid he was.

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Post by throwaway19937 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #168
uncledave wrote: post #19

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Twitter has a moderation policy and applied it. Parler didn’t and didn’t apply anything. Edit: also fuck everyone related to Parler. Read in detail: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...

It's weird how inconsistent they are about it Tweets from Ayatollah Khomeini talking about how Israel is a cancer[1] that needs to be violently eradicated[2] apparently don't run afoul of the "Glorification of Violence" policy. OTOH Trump's 2 tweets, which were tame in comparison, were bannable. [1]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 [2]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/126374233989129…

Banning Ayatollah Khomeini from Twitter would probably cause an international incident. He might declare a fatwa[0] against Twitter, the US, or both. If none of these events happen, there's still a risk of Islamic terrorists attacking Twitter's offices. I'd probably leave his account in place too.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa

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Post by webXL »

whymauri wrote: post #156
webXL wrote: post #98

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Which one and why is live streaming (aka what TV news occasionally does) bad?

Christchurch shooting in New Zealand. It was stomach churning, don't watch it.

I won't. I'm just trying to determine what this has to do with showing the content. Authorities could have benefitted by seeing the stream, so this isn't a clearcut issue. Do you remember live 9/11 coverage? Were you telling people not to watch that?

It's the incitement that we should be concerned about, and balancing restrictions with peaceful freedom of expression.

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Post by Rapzid »

101008 wrote: post #432
Rapzid wrote: post #418

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She was receiving death threats on Twitter and Twitter was not taking action against those users? Do you have any sources for that?

https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1272737061703790592?...

Do you have any sources for Twitter not taking actions against users that sent death threats to JK Rowling?

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Post by themacguffinman »

djsumdog wrote: post #162
burke wrote: post #87

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A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation You are not really watching if you think that is what is happening. They are controlling the narrative. They are promoting some topics and pushing down other. Facebook deleted WalkAway, a group that had full moderation, did not allow any posts which called for violence, and which was pure political speech. Reddit is deleting each and every sub that go…

But...that's what moderation is. Promoting some topics and pushing down others. Deleting certain groups which repeatedly break policies (which, by the way, are not limited to posts that call for violence). Deciding what is "orthodox" and what is not. This is common, even on this site. When a HN mod deletes a flagged thread because it doesn't follow the rules, are we all plunged into 1984 + Fahrenheit 451? When a comment is deleted and someone is baned even though they didn't literally call for violence, have they seized control of our thoughts?

The way I see it, Amazon (or Facebook etc) didn't censor Parler in the unilateral and totalitarian way you allude to. At some level, every company has to have the freedom to choose who they do business with, every person has to have the freedom to choose who they associate with. Amazon just said "no, I won't sell you AWS anymore". They didn't threaten Parler, Amazon does not have the power or authority to threaten Parler; They didn't and can't prevent Parler from choosing another provider. What's happening here is that Parler knows that no one else will voluntarily do business with them either.

Almost everyone in the industry has turned their back to Parler on their own. That cannot be censorship in the same way the lonely kid who no one wants to play with cannot be described as being censored in any meaningful sense of the word. Honestly I find it a worrying trend to be sure, but to portray individual free actions as censorship is to make the concept of censorship meaningless; It conflates the real dangers of authoritarian censorship with ordinary choices & biases that we take for granted every day.

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Post by adamredwoods »

alasdair_ wrote: post #77
adamredwoods wrote: post #58

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> "Doing so is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a hospital patient onlife support. It will kill Parler’s business—at the very time it is set to skyrocket." I don't know if they can hold that true that people will be signing up per "skyrocket" metaphor. They can use past data, but cannot use unknown future data.

>I don't know if they can hold that true that people will be signing up per "skyrocket" metaphor. They can use past data, but cannot use unknown future data. They can show that it was the #1 most downloaded app on Apple's app store and make a reasonable inference from that.

Possibly a precentage. Downloading the app is not always 1-to-1 for signing up. Someone could be using the web-version, then decides to download the app.

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Post by djsumdog »

tptacek wrote: post #402
djsumdog wrote: post #390

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No, I mean those individual things. There may be some intersection between Alex Jones fans, Daily Stormer Fans and Reddit users ... but they're certainly not the same audiences at all. You can replace them with anyone you want that's heterodox that's been banned honestly.

You think there may be some intersection between Alex Jones fans and Daily Stormer readers? The Stop The Steal rioters were wearing Auschwitz t-shirts.

The rioters didn't listen to Donald Trump or Alex Jones. Have you read what's come out recently?

Jones specifically told people not to riot and condemned violence. The people who broke in where already at the capitol steps while he was speaking. They literally couldn't have been incited by what Trump said.

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Post by tptacek »

djsumdog wrote: post #447
tptacek wrote: post #402

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You think there may be some intersection between Alex Jones fans and Daily Stormer readers? The Stop The Steal rioters were wearing Auschwitz t-shirts.

The rioters didn't listen to Donald Trump or Alex Jones. Have you read what's come out recently? Jones specifically told people not to riot and condemned violence. The people who broke in where already at the capitol steps while he was speaking. They literally couldn't have been incited by what Trump said.

Jones was at the riots. In fact, he claims to have paid for the rally that preceded it.

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Post by anonuser123456 »

COGlory wrote: post #415
anonuser123456 wrote: post #406

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One's opinion has a very profound bearing on how he interprets and report on facts.

Facts should be independently verifiable.

Verify away. But facts are nothing more than isolated points. In my reading of Greenwald, he (usually) selects the facts that push his narrative. So verifying his facts is meaningless in the context of establishing the veracity of his broader claims. You need more facts than what he presents to see the full picture. And then his narrative usually falls appart.

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Post by djsumdog »

tptacek wrote: post #448
djsumdog wrote: post #447

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The rioters didn't listen to Donald Trump or Alex Jones. Have you read what's come out recently? Jones specifically told people not to riot and condemned violence. The people who broke in where already at the capitol steps while he was speaking. They literally couldn't have been incited by what Trump said.

Jones was at the riots . In fact, he claims to have paid for the rally that preceded it.

> Corrections & Amplifications The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones urged Trump supporters not to attack police and to move to the east side of the Capitol. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said Mr. Jones urged rioters attacking the Capitol to move forward. (Corrected on Jan. 8)

Buried at the very bottom of the Wall-Street Journal article.

This is his side of the story, but it sounds like you've already made up your mind and don't want to listen to any corrections:

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ff8d5530429ec3746ffec53

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