70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers • Hacker News Board

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by 0x4d464d48 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

_alex_ wrote: post #374

gwbas1c wrote: post #68

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There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

"Cool, I found a package for this"

Hello fellow follower of the cult of cargo!

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tomatotomato37 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

astrea wrote: post #214

mr_overalls wrote: post #173

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> media told me I create a Parler account myself out of curiosity's sake. The platform had basically no moderation, and was rife with open calls to violence. It was absolutely serving as a recruitment & coordination site for domestic terrorism.

Didn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?

The whole reason 8chan was created was because they were kicked off of 4chan for disgusting behavior (specifically doxing/harassing game journalists)

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

bzb6 wrote: post #438

whimsicalism wrote: post #435

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By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

That’s true but Instagram doesn’t claim to be a free speech platform

So that makes it permissible for private actors to publish 70TBs of private Parler users' messages?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by stronglikedan » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

deegles wrote: post #105

boredumb wrote: post #40

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Just call everyone a terrorist and absolve your soul of any uneasiness you have with this. Surely this hyperbole hasn't been used in recent history to push authoritarian and unethical measures by state and private actors paving a golden road to hell.

Umm I'm not sure which group you're referring to!

Are they distinguishable by their terroristic activities alone?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bostik » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

rightoven9 wrote: post #143

bavent wrote: post #92

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Ah yes, Antifa, known for throwing milkshakes, is equivalent to pipe bombs, trucks filled with guns and explosives, and people walking around with zip ties looking for pols to kidnap inside a government building they killed a cop to break into. Right. I forgot.

You're pretty quick to forget the Autonomous zone in Seattle where people died, or the continuous destruction in Portland over the last few months. Either Parler and Twitter are both dangerous or neither of them are.

There can be a difference in degree, it's not a binary option.

Personally I think both are dangerous, but thanks to audience self-selection and rules of the platforms, Parler is more dangerous of the two.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sonotmyname » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

ipsocannibal wrote: post #290

_red wrote: post #116

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Its also complete accident that there is now a 20000 page "Patriot Act 2.0" being pushed as a solution.

Links or is this FUD.

Perhaps GlobalProtect was referring to HR 4192?

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-statement-opposing-hr-4192-...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by crispywalrus » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #435

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

Instagram doesn't claim to be a "free speech" platform. You have to only be mildly interested in it to see that it's all about "engagement" Parler explicitly claimed "free speech" as a goal

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jacquesm » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #418

jacquesm wrote: post #394

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The Pulse nightclub is not typically associated with being a seat of government, though I don't doubt that people in government have been seated there. On 9/11 there was a plan set in motion to crash a plane in to the Capitol, which only failed because of the bravery of the passengers in that plane. Incidentally, the very same Capitol self described 'patriots' broke into and vandalized last week.

> a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis So what made 9/11 have large scale was the (thwarted) plot to crash into the Capitol and the successful attack on the Pentagon? Not the 2600 killed in the WTC? This seems like a very twisted reading to compare two not-actually-that-similar events.

I think you have a reading comprehension problem, but I don't think I'm capable of fixing it. Hint: it revolves around the word 'since'. Best of luck.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bzb6 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #443

bzb6 wrote: post #438

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That’s true but Instagram doesn’t claim to be a free speech platform

So that makes it permissible for private actors to publish 70TBs of private Parler users' messages?

I did not say anything like that

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by papaf » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #404

papaf wrote: post #354

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About 30% of the population: https://napoleoncat.com/stats/facebook-users-in-myanmar/2018... Its enough to raise a mob. Facebook are also central to the investigation: https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/how-facebook-is-complicit-in...

Those 30% overwhelmingly live in the biggest cities. Not in the poor villages where the ethnic tensions started. (However, maybe Facebook indeed made things worse, once the Facebook-connected military got involved.)

Both internet and Facebook were available in rural areas. Described as an "internet revolution" at the time: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/the-f...

The UN also said that Facebook played a "determining role" (see the Diplomat link).