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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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As someone who has lived in both fascist regimes (South Korea in the 1970s and 1980s) and Communist ones (off and on in China during that past two decades), I have witnessed close at hand supposedly private businesses eager to curry favor with the government by silencing their political opponents. Could it just be that the tech titans sense a means of fending off imminent antitrust action by the DoJ, through tacitly coordinated purges of conservative platforms? Surely not!

On a related note, as a longtime defender of free speech, I am nauseated at the visage of tech mavens here rhetorically frothing at the mouth to silence those with whom they disagree. This has been a slippery slope indeed, starting with Alex Jones and now extending to platforms used by 10s of millions of people, whose views are now deemed heretical.

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Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

At some physical level (e.g. the backbone), I'd like to see laws that apply the 1st amendment to all US-controlled physical connectivity i.e. backbone operators cannot block traffic based on content, ever.

Above that, I'd prefer to see a more diverse business ecosystem so that AWS' business policies were just one of a larger set of possible choices you would have when picking a hosting solution (note: this doesn't just mean more companies, it means greater diversity of the AUPs on offer)

At that point, we could all do what I consider to be the right thing, and leave AWS or whoever to do whatever they want, confident that there were genuine alternatives available.

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Statement by John Matze "Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products. We will try our be…

It is smart of them not to rely on proprietary AWS services.

I suggest migrating to Alibaba Cloud.

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The United States is done. The tools that this community is building to enable political censorship will surely come back to you. You can call this Democracy. But this feels like Authoritarianism. I'm so disappointed in Silicon Valley and those in the Hacker News Community that are stamping out free expression. Shame on you.

This is what feel like Authoritarianism? Not the attempted theft of a legitimate democratic election?

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What a brilliant idea, if this trend continues conservatives soon be forced to move to darknet forums/social networks that doesn't even try to remove content encouraging violence.

Yeah, all the venerated housewives are going to use tor and visit onion links. Listen to yourself, you’re desperate and grasping.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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If people on an app continually call for violence and violate your TOS you can boot them off. Especially if the app in question has no good faith moderation of content to meet your terms of service and their terms of service are either lacking or wink wink levels of enforcement.

You can have ANY political perspective you want! Lower taxes, raise taxes, immigration policy, school choice, charter schools WHATEVER! You just can’t have hate speech against protected classes or call for violence. If you have an issues with the protected classes then VOTE!!! Also debate on what should and shouldn’t be a protected class is also OK!

These companies exist to make money. They have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. Aiding and abetting political violence is a sure fire way to hurt shareholder value. The market has judged that “pro violence” speech is to be de-monetized.

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This is an incredibly sort timeframe to expect someone to be able to migrate off AWS. If there infrastructure is docker, or K8 than they can move quickly, but if they are tied into more than a couple of AWS specific services like Route 53 or Lambda then a migration is a big ask.

Comment on r/aws:

>I am praying and hoping that Parler chose to use DynamoDB, Cognito, API GW, lambda functions, SnS//SQS , Cloudwatch etc. :-D

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