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Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump
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#442All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.
Why does Facebook owe anyone a voice? If you want a 'voice' then the GOVERNMENT should make a social media platform in which NO ONE at all can be censured. Because your silly free speech argument doesn't have anything to do with private companies, although you already knew that, but conveniently ignore it. If Trump decides to start posting on HN, does HN owe him a voice? You are the one making slippery slope argument…
I think you and the op are in agreement...
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure you were advocating for the silencing of BLM leaders who were encouraging violence during recent months too...
This was a coup attempt that involved breaking into congress to stop presidential succession. Are you suggesting the two are comparable?
So presidential succession was stopped and congress was killed? No? I think you are making shit up.
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#444"It has not escaped my attention that the day social media companies decided there actually IS more they could do to police Trump’s destructive behavior was the same day they learned Democrats would chair all the congressional committees that oversee them."
https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/1347064818944118784?s=...
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#445Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.
It seems more interesting that a software platform like this would be expected to treat a president of a country different than a normal person. Should the queen of England get even more privileges to break rules on the platform? And the peerage somewhere below that (but still much higher than the common folk)?
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#446No fan of Trump and I try to be militantly centrist, but how is Trump's baseless rhetoric about election fraud any different than almost every Democrat politician's endless claims that Trump was [eye roll] a "Russian agent"?? Both claims are absurd, but how exactly is one "incitement" while the other is just normal course mainstream news?? Facebook of course provides no specific explanation about their decision. But…
Solid point. I never saw Twitter tripping over themselves to ban mention of the pee tape, which was clearly a blatant fabrication.
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#447Can anybody recommend a good WhatsApp alternative?
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#448I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…
Any real free speech maximalist would first and foremost recognize Facebook's right to free speech. Suspending Trump is merely that right. The 1st amendment is between citizens and the government, not between other citizens.
Next version of "social networks" will be technically uncensorable. Law makers, courts, or Mr Suckerberg will be powerless.
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#449Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trump did not incite violence. If anything, the media this summer was much more involved in inciting and fueling the BLM riots.
He literally stood outside near the Capitol and said, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore” and then encouraged the crowd to go to the Capitol.
What he literally said while he "literally stood outside near the Capitol" (he was almost two miles away from the Capitol):
"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."
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"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."
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#450I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…
Have you actually watched Fox News lately? Right wingers are leaving it in droves because except for a few pundits (Tucker Carlson etc) They are too moderate. Most of the craziness is on social media these days and right wing news sites on the web