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USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment
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#442If there's anything to learn from Assange and Snowden: 1. Our western "liberal" democracies stop being liberal when the government gets angry at you at a personal level. 2. With enough propaganda, you can make people believe anything, even that Snowden is a "traitor" to the US. 3. Politically vociferous people (the mob) don't give a shit about you unless you're instrumental to support the cause du jour
> With enough propaganda, you can make people believe anything, even that Snowden is a "traitor" to the US. When you do things like https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1266892/exclusive-ns... , no propaganda is necessary.
That is horrible. Wasting tax dollars spying on schools.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you really calling what Assange did "investigative journalism"?
Funny how everyone's opinion about Assange changed after 2016.
One of the main activities of the CIA is to shape public opinion. They already proved that they hated him enough to hire contractors to destroy him, and the leaked HBGary/Palantir proposal from 2011 even talks about smearing him on social media:
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#445Reading the judgement the key points are on pages 116 onwards and the extradition is denied under section 91(3) of the EA 2003 which reads: > The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him. The judge states: > it is my judgment that there is a real risk that he will be kept in the near isolated conditions imposed by the harshest SAMs…
Interestingly, the BBC asked the question: “is HMP Belmarsh the British Guantanamo Bay?” [0] By the transitive properties of anglo-american fascist thought, does that make the US prison system better or worse than the US extrajudicial prison in Cuba?? [0] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3714864.stm
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Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment
#446Reading the judgement the key points are on pages 116 onwards and the extradition is denied under section 91(3) of the EA 2003 which reads: > The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him. The judge states: > it is my judgment that there is a real risk that he will be kept in the near isolated conditions imposed by the harshest SAMs…
Interestingly, the BBC asked the question: “is HMP Belmarsh the British Guantanamo Bay?” [0] By the transitive properties of anglo-american fascist thought, does that make the US prison system better or worse than the US extrajudicial prison in Cuba?? [0] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3714864.stm
There are better and worse parts in each system. Not everyone is in solitary confinement or 22hr per day in cell. The worst parts of all 3 are bad.
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it causes severe psychological distress. That's what prison is. Depends. Some penal systems are there for "retribution" or punishment, and those match your definition. Other concepts available are rehabilitation and simply separating proven dangerous elements from society at large. Apart from the loss of freedom of movement (which I would not describe as "severe psychological distress"), there is no hard requiremen…
The philosophy of imprisonment is fairly vast, I believe. But hard/philosophical requirements notwithstanding, prisons tend to be what they are. The famous moral philosopher Jeremy Bentham designed some a "modern" prison system with some of these goals in mind, especially reform. The result was quite horrific.
Note that the exaggerated theoretical horrors of Bentham's panopticon are the mundane reality of modern non-prison life under camera and cell phone surveillance.
Being watched by guards isn't one of the top 10 worst aspects of living in prison.
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
on what charges is he being held in the UK?
Arrested in 2019 when his Ecuadorian asylum was revoked, charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion, maximum 5y sentence. Was changed a month later to be the Espionage Act charges. Those all stem from the US though, I think he's only detained by the UK for extradition? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Julia...
And for breaking the terms of his bail conditions by legging it to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place.
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#449Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Consider that if I were to walk through London wearing a teeshirt emblazoned with “Atheist” I’d be perfectly safe. I suspect doing the same in many US towns or cities might result in assault - contrast “liberties” with “effective freedoms”. > > Also, political free speech is pretty much absolute in the UK - it’s citizens putting the boot in to each other in public that tends to attract Police interest in keeping th…
I take your point, but would suggest that the stop was motivated by legitimate Police concern over public decency rather than political content (“Fuck” is quite offensive) and I believe that the Officers concerned probably wouldn’t have arrested her if she had refused to cover up. If an aggrieved third party had been present, and her refusal to cover up created a likelihood of imminent breach of the peace then - perh…
It sounds like you're saying that if someone wants to fight me over what I'm wearing, that I should be arrested. That feels backwards, and I don't think the specifics of the article of clothing change that.
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#450Kevin Gosztola: "The United States government's mass incarceration system just lost them their case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange" - https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/1346048531249958914 Matt Kennard, investigative journalist: "Brilliant news, but be in no doubt. This ruling is utterly chilling for investigative journalism. Baraitser sided with US prosecutors on pretty much all of their arguments. It wa…
Are you really calling what Assange did "investigative journalism"?
Irrelevant pendantry is boring.