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California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

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Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

"This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant."

Maybe. I have no idea.

What I do know is, the following statement is 1A protected free speech:

If you pay me enough money, I will drive to the Novato In'N'Out and buy a cheeseburger and deliver it to you.

I offer this delivery service to anyone who wishes to negotiate my (extremely high) delivery rates.

This is posted in a public place (is a listing) and I have no relationship with In'N'Out and no plans to establish one.

Now what ?

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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If a person decides to buy a pizza from X and then sell it to Y, don't they have a right to?

If a person decides to open their home kitchen and sell food to the general public, don't they have a right to?

If they get a license first. As long as the license process is reasonable and non-discriminatory, what's the issue?

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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post #442

This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

"This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant." Maybe. I have no idea. What I do know is, the following statement is 1A protected free speech: If you pay me enough money, I will drive to the Novato In'N'Out and buy a cheeseburger and deliver it to you. I offer this delivery service to anyone who wishes to negotiate my (extremely high) delivery rates. This is posted in a public pl…

Apple is a private company, not a public entity. AFAIK, your "free speech" is not protected here.

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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post #442

This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

"This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant." Maybe. I have no idea. What I do know is, the following statement is 1A protected free speech: If you pay me enough money, I will drive to the Novato In'N'Out and buy a cheeseburger and deliver it to you. I offer this delivery service to anyone who wishes to negotiate my (extremely high) delivery rates. This is posted in a public pl…

You are clearly not a "food delivery platform" which this explicitly concerns. Obviously you can pay people to run errands for you, including picking up food and people can advertise their services.

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

#446

This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

What if I put myself in the shoes of the consumer?

Now if a restaurant doesn't offer delivery, can I still get delivery?

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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post #442

This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

"This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant." Maybe. I have no idea. What I do know is, the following statement is 1A protected free speech: If you pay me enough money, I will drive to the Novato In'N'Out and buy a cheeseburger and deliver it to you. I offer this delivery service to anyone who wishes to negotiate my (extremely high) delivery rates. This is posted in a public pl…

This law only applies to online businesses. So while this effectively stops businesses from providing this service without permission it does not prevent what you describe.

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some consumers will still tend to blame Sally's Piping Hot Burgers when their burger arrives soggy and cold A friend who manages an excellent restaurant says that this is indeed a problem. One of their signature dishes is fried chicken, and it is glorious. They optimize everything about the meal with the understanding that it's 15-30 seconds from the kitchen to the table. But those are the wrong choices for 15-30 m…

Does delivery tend to be different from takeout in your experience? It does in mine. The gap between finishing prep and me eating it is much longer for delivery, except that the apps almost all lie about it. While your order is sitting there waiting for a driver for 10 minutes, they tell you, no way! It’s not our inability to get a driver there quickly! It’s the restaurant who is still wrapping up right now! If they…

Ordering for pickup has gotten so much easier this year. Restaurants usually will hand me my food at the door, so I only need to spend a few seconds waiting, and the food is just in way better condition when I carry it home myself.

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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This is such a great law, I wish my State would enact something similar. The real link to my local chinese restaurant is the 3rd link down. The apps links are always first. The only way I know it's the real site is if "pick-up" is offered as an option. I'd much prefer the restaurant got the full margin, than some app.

While I agree that impersonation or platforms showing up first in search results is bad, whether the restaurant gets the full margin is a separate issue and currently correlates negatively.

A restaurant that's being impersonated without any agreement/permission will get the full margin, because the platform has to buy at retail prices.

A restaurant only loses money to commissions when they have an agreement with the platform, and that agreement very often also allows the platform to set up those pages that show up first.

So a law requiring platforms to get permission to deliver might end up with fewer restaurants getting full margin!

Re: California law bans delivery apps from listing a restaurant without an agreement

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post #109

This is undeniably a good thing if you put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant. Imagine if someone went around impersonating your business online, leveraging the good name you have built for yourself over the decades. They create ads offering your expert development services, ostensibly competing with your existing website, but with intentionally slashed pricing and a ‘creatively’ misrepresented offering (aka gro…

Why does that require anything other than enforcement of existing trademark law?

The app could say "we deliver from the Greek place on Main Street" to avoid using the trademark, but still be in violation of the new law.

Also, many restaurants can't get a trademark. My favorite local place is "Joe's Pub" but I don't imagine that's a unique name.

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