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Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by playcache »

znpy wrote: post #369
CoconutPilot wrote: post #296

Whats missing is an analysis of why CentOS failed. I think Rocky Linux needs to put out a plan how they will make themselves financially viable as we've had 3 high profile RHEL respins go down in the last 10 years. CentOS failed twice, it ran out of money in 2014 and was rescued back then by Redhat sponsership. Again in 2020. Another widely used RHEL respin was Scientific Linux which mothballed when RHEL 7 was releas…

> Whats missing is an analysis of why CentOS failed. nah, it's not missing. Red Hat bought the project and more importantly the trademark, domains etc. And it was mostly fine. Then IBM bought Red Hat and things went south. CentOS did not fail, CentOS was killed . It's different.

IBM had nothing to do with it.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by Shared404 »

Shared404 wrote: post #402
filmgirlcw wrote: post #398

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I mean, I hate to say this, but have we considered that a big part of the reason RedHat has been profitable is because it doesn’t care about the desktop? And no, Fedora really doesn’t count. Ubuntu’s big thing back in 2004 was that it was a well-heeled founder (and company), coming in to actually put time and money into the desktop experience on Linux in an opinionated way (obv. not everyone agrees with those opinion…

Honestly, with the way things are going, I would like them to deemphasize the desktop. Canonical made it easy to recommend linux as a desktop, but then have made it harder as time goes on, with controversies like Snap and the Amazon fiasco. I'm glad for what they have done, and wish them luck in the server space. There are others who are now better positioned to pick up where Canonical left off on the desktop. Elemen…

Outside of the edit window for the above comment, but Mint needs to go in the list of distributions that are moving the desktop forward.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by throwaway201103 »

rpcwork wrote: post #378
Keverw wrote: post #335

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Reminds me about how people don't even give CockroachDB a chance because of it's name. Every time it's mentioned on HN, people can't help but to bring up it's name.

Requesting the name change to the more subtle “RoachDB”

Data checks in, but doesn't check out.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by playcache »

commandertso wrote: post #409

One thing to consider, for the folks that assume everyone on CentOS is a parasite allergic to paying for software... CentOS is heavily used in the HPC academic organizations, in part because paying licensing fees for an OS on 2k+ nodes isn’t workable in academia.

Don't they use scientific linux (CentOS clone?)

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by toyg »

mjcohen wrote: post #399
geerlingguy wrote: post #377

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Same here. Things that come to mind: Rocky, the champion boxer who can "go the distance" and never gives up... the Rocky Mountains, which are, well, rocky and strong... Rocky Road ice cream, which tastes good. A zillion times better than trying to explain what a "Suse", an "Ubuntu", or a "Manjaro" is, and that's before talking about the various types of hat-based distros.

And, of course, Rocky and Bullwinkle. I want Bullwinkle Linux.

I guess you’ve just found the name for Rocky’s development branch!

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by bonzini »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #277
bonzini wrote: post #174

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It's the opposite. Plenty of subsystems in the RHEL 8.3 kernel are basically on par with upstream 5.5 or so, as almost all the patches are backported. The source code is really the same to a large extent, and therefore security fixes apply straightforwardly.

That's great but what about all the other packages?

The upstream for most other packages generally move much more slowly than the kernel. The fast ones (e.g. X11, systemd, QEMU) are typically rebased every other update or so (meaning, roughly once a year).

It also helps that Red Hat employs a lot of core developers for those fast moving packages. :)

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by em500 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #293
kbenson wrote: post #139

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Scientific Linux/Fermilab did not release a version 8, and instead opted to install CentOS 8 on their clusters instead of roll their own version.[1] 1: https://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=SCIENTIFIC-LINUX...

There is also Springdale Linux

Did you actually check if they have a maintained 8 release out there? AFAICT they have not released anything after 8.1 more than a year ago.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by toyg »

reader_mode wrote: post #329
cpncrunch wrote: post #311

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I think Ubuntu has a decent business plan, charging people $225/yr to extend support from 5 to 10 years. I would happily pay that in order to avoid having to migrate as often. CentOS just gave everything away for free and then is wondering why they're not making any money.

Paid CentOS support is called RHEL - the whole point of CentOS is repackage GPL RHEL stuff without the licensing fee. The only way I see this being viable is them getting bankrolled by a huge cloud provider - but cloud providers already decided that having their own distros was a better option.

> GPL RHEL stuff without the licensing fee

Without the absurdly high licensing fee. A more reasonable amount (be it a saas-like low monthly charge or one-off 3-digit fee) would probably go down fine with enough institutional users to generate a decent amount of money.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by hvdijk »

dralley wrote: post #434
ikiris wrote: post #421

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It's supposed to be against the GPL, but no one is willing to chase it.

In what way is it "supposed to be against the GPL"?

See Bruce Perens's explanation: https://perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-c...>. The short story: adding a penalty to an action that the GPL allows is a restriction of that action, and the GPL does not allow setting additional restrictions. This has not been tested in court, as far as I know.
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