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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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I live in a country that the US has sanctioned in the past for undemocratic election processes. Also, I'm familiar with our voting procedures and have worked on election oversight, data gathering etc.

If we had an election that had a fraction of the irregularities that are surfacing in some of these problematic states, I'm pretty sure we would have been invaded by now. Jokes aside, those states are a similar population size to my country so it's not apples and oranges.

Censorship is also something the US is quick to call out others for.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#442

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

This about as far removed from reality as there is.

There are always "buts" in all of human rights. No right is absolute because we don't live in a world of absolutes. Free speech, without any limits at all, becomes libel, harassment, hate speech, incitement to violence, sedition, etc.

Absolutism in rights is a thought-terminating cliché, evidenced by the fact that there are literal lifetimes of scholarship in regards to when rights begin and when they end, and which right to prioritize when multiple people's rights are conflicting with each other.

> The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The evidence was tenuous and circumstantial at best. I dont remember seeing a similar cry for censorship.

There was a claim that ended up in a Special Counsel investigation in which _multiple_ people associated with the Trump 2016 campaign ended up going in prison for, including Michael Flynn.

Comparing claims of potential fraud, followed up by investigation and mostly finished when such investigation discovered some things and disproved others, is an eminently healthy level of questioning over the complete insanity of fraud claims.

The current claims of fraud are not of anyone with a sound mind. Do not conflate one thing with the other; they're not anywhere near the same league.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#443
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Stop worshiping these websites like they are the only things on the internet that matter. It's ok if stuff gets removed from YouTube, it's one website and it's not obligated to host your HD videos for free for any reason. Get over it. Pay for the hosting if you want to project controversial content on the internet that people don't want to host for free.

> Pay for the hosting if you want to project controversial content on the internet that people don't want to host for free. But what's to stop the private company that's hosting me from de-platforming me if a twitter mob pressures them to do so? It's private companies all the way down. Free speech is impossible on the private company controlled internet.

The financial incentives are completely different, it's all about the money. YouTube is sensitive to public opinion because advertisers are sensitive to public opinion and they are the only way YouTube makes any money. Hosting companies are incentivized NOT to care about the type of content being hosted because this approach makes them more money. Further, paying for a service usually implies some guarantees about services rendered and discourages capricious enforcement of business policies.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#444

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The President is the most powerful figure of the government. Government censorship is the greatest threat to democracy. The President wants his voice to be the loudest, most trusted voice. The President wants to discredit any dissenting voices. The President only wants your vote to count if you voted for him. If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging…

> If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging that every citizen hears and believes, and whether your own voice even counts?

Because this supposedly omnipotent being can't even tweet without a warning message attached to it?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#445

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personall…

There is definitely a political slant. It just turns out that one side is obviously factually true for all neutral observers, and the other side is in the equivalent of a collective psychotic break from reality.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#446

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

What does this have to do with freedom? Private companies can’t take away freedom, only the government can.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#447

This thread is fascinating. Same type of troll/sarcasm/meme comments (e.g. "orange man bad") as you find on Reddit, which are normally absent from HN. This topic clearly brings out the worst no matter where it's discussed.

Or the commentary is largely coming from those normally absent from HN.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#448

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personall…

Having a grasp on reality != political slant

You can be a conservative and acknowledge the President states falsehoods at an unseen pace.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#449
post #417

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

>we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such I think that mainstream news has been doing this for the past 4 years. Here are 3 examples: 1) Trump Russia collusion hoax. 2) Trump saying that neo-nazis and white supremacists are "fine people" hoax. 3) Trump recommending people "inject bleach" ho…

You mean the Trump-Russia collusion that ended up with Michael Flynn going to prison?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#450

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The media has been the propaganda division of military industrial complex for decades. Mainstream networks spouting lies is nothing new.
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