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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by swebs »

permo-w wrote: post #325

I’m starting to think that this could actually be good news for left-leaning people. It’s entirely possible that separated from the people they usually fight against, and isolated in their own platform, conservative voices, people who have made careers out of rhetorical conflict, will begin to fight among themselves. and this can only benefit the left. It’s also very possible that Parler will only go uncensored for s…

You're thinking in an us-vs-them mentality. Really, we should be working towards a community where people can respect differing opinions, and not just a bunch of isolated sites full of extremists on either side.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by indymike »

Schiendelman wrote: post #326
cmsefton wrote: post #264

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I've long held the opinion that Twitter and Facebook are just content in the medium, a bit like complaining about Sky, CNN or Fox on TV without looking at television itself and the impact it had on communication. The internet has brought communication to everyone that travels at incredible speed. This has the effect of causing emotive responses, rather than reasoned. Requires no effort at all to respond, and encourag…

Increasingly, the medium is the tribe. It’s not clear there are solutions to this because aligning on tribal beliefs is how we evolved to survive!

I think this is a misunderstanding. Social platform users have little reason to leave one platform for another. Censorship is one of those few reasons. Censorship 8s at a very simple level telling those with different thoughts to go start a tribe somewhere else.

Twitter isn't making good decisions. The killed Vine and gave Musicaly and then TikTok oxygen. Their censorship is giving rise to competitors.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by calinet6 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #317
hntossaccount12 wrote: post #296

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I suspect we will continue to see services that unbundle social media's hottest topics. Social media may have created an outrage economy -- a subset of the attention economy. But like ebay, craigslist, etc, the social media platforms' broad focus means their product can't specialize when strong trends emerge. The outrage will be unbundled by niche companies. I actually think this is a good thing. Seeing conspiracy th…

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I agree there is a positive to isolating the worst of social media off on a separate site. On the other hand, we're (maybe) just starting to see Facebook etc take some action on the worst elements of social media. This subverts that and makes it harder for Facebook to take further action in the future: shareholders will rightfully ask "what if you lose even more…

I think it just delays a bigger problem, kicks the can down the road.

In 2-4 years' time, we'll have an even bigger festering cesspool of self-reinforced beliefs than ever before, and an more difficult time having rational discourse among our society about how to run it.

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Post by cm2187 »

kall wrote: post #391
cm2187 wrote: post #145

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Agree, we will likely end up with right leaning town square and left leaning town square. And because every company seems to think they need to pick a side on political topics, it may extend beyond speech platforms. For instance I wouldn't be surprised if at one point conservative leaning viewers would migrate away from the likes of netflix for been fed up of being preached woke catechism in every TV show. And perhap…

Netflix consumption is 90% from recommendations page right? So they could segregate every side into their own little recommendation bubble, if they have the content range for it. Seems to work for youtube.

That assumes that content from both sides of the political spectrum gets produced. Not my experience recently.

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Post by ch4s3 »

faitswulff wrote: post #387
LatteLazy wrote: post #317

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I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I agree there is a positive to isolating the worst of social media off on a separate site. On the other hand, we're (maybe) just starting to see Facebook etc take some action on the worst elements of social media. This subverts that and makes it harder for Facebook to take further action in the future: shareholders will rightfully ask "what if you lose even more…

Inevitably these kinds of safe spaces for hate speech lead to hate crimes: https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga... As long as the FBI are aware and can prevent these things, I suppose it's a nice honeypot, but if not then it's a literal weaponization of social media.

I'm not sure that we can provably say that they LEAD to crimes. I think there's a strong case to be made that people interested in carrying out these crimes find like minded people online and engage in meme culture. You can probably make a good case that things like 8chan encourage copy-cat elements in these attacks.

I'm just not quite sure the case has been convincingly made that internet cess pools generate crime that would't otherwise happen. I could probably be convinced otherwise, but I'm not sure.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by calinet6 »

gameswithgo wrote: post #370
LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that. Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

At some point we'll need to deal with the fact that the clubs self-reinforce any beliefs the tribe wants to put forward, and isolate them further from society, creating true problems for actually running said society.

At some point we'll need to have a psychological nuclear weapon disarmament... the question is when and how, not if.

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Post by jeremyjh »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #333
grey-area wrote: post #110

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2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…

> the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. I think a lot of those are good things and things we’ve been taught to over-value, without regard for their dangers and without an appreciation for the attendant responsibilities. The country was founded with a HEAVY skepticism of democracy. It al…

State legislatures do not elect the president in any state in this country. The constitution gives them the power to determine the manner of selecting the electors. Under this power, all states have laws created by the legislature to delegate the power to select the electors via popular vote of all resident citizens.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by SmokeyHamster »

least wrote: post #33

When "free speech" is the primary selling point of a social media website, it tends to only attract people who feel slighted by the platform they're migrating from. Unfortunately this has the opposite effect of Parler's stated goal of being "the world's town square" since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move. I think free speech is important and I think that social media plat…

>since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move.

I haven't seen a lot of evidence of this. If anything, it's the opposite. For example, David Pakman, Youtube political pundit and liberal grifter, joined Parler (I think just because Parler's CEO offered $20k to the first progressive with >50k twitter followers to signup) and he received very kind comments from people who largely dislike his politics.

https://parler.com/profile/dpakman/posts

Naturally, despite the warm welcome, Pakman never used the site. Because like most leftists, he's not interested in freedom of speech or reaching out to new audiences. He knows who his audience is, which are fringe leftists who hate anything like Parler, so he knows he has nothing to gain by using it.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jeremyjh »

ekianjo wrote: post #407
khendron wrote: post #338

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I am not sure that letting people exist in their own self-validating echo chamber is a good thing.

You make it sound that it was not always a thing.

It hasn't always been to this extent. People used to share a same basic set of facts about the world, based "mainstream" news media. Now there is little agreement about basic facts.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by bpsh »

Sadly both platforms are practicing censorship and are being run by people that think they are best suited to distinguish between good and evil. Reality is usually not black and white, which is why it is sad to see many platforms these days pushing strict narratives.
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