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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by barumi »

redisman wrote: post #193
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but Ain't that the truth with every OS. I use Windows for gaming, PopOS for work on my desktop and MacOS for work on my laptop. The amount of weird issues is about constant.

> The amount of weird issues is about constant.

But linux is free both as in free beer and in free speech, windows required you to pay the Microsoft tax to use, and lastly macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sjwright »

pgt wrote: post #352
jrochkind1 wrote: post #300

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Huh apparently I win by still being on an old OS version?

My policy is to never upgrade anything until everyone I know has upgraded to the next version and not downgraded after N weeks.

My policy is to upgrade my secondary/personal/low importance computer on day one and my primary computer a few weeks later.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by blacklight »

This isn't anything surprising. A handful of companies out there have been working hard for the past few years to kill the personal computer and turn it back into a dumb terminal that connects to a mainframe owned by them, and they've managed to do it. Nomenclature also matters - they've stopped calling them "computers", now they're just "devices".

Enjoy your $1500 dumb terminal. If you're still buying Apple products, then you're simply unforgivable.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by judge2020 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #430
jonny_eh wrote: post #363

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It's even simpler than people not caring, people don't know.

Exactly. Today was the first day when I knew this was possible. If I had been buying a computer a month ago, this would not have been a factor in my calculations whatsoever, because I didn't know it was even a possibility to consider. A month from now? Different story.

FYI, both Windows and Chrome (to an extent) can do this too. Windows will phone home to smartscreen scan downloaded executables, and Chrome checks every download against virustotal (owned by Google since 2013) for viruses to warn that software is malicious, and I've been burned by this a few times when a download wouldn't complete for multiple minutes due to this scan.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pacificmint »

strawberrypuree wrote: post #226
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

This is a soft failure. If the computer didn't have access to the Internet, it would still open.

In this case, any app would take five to ten minutes to open. While that technically means "it still opens", it effectively renders the computer unusable.

(And that's after I realized that they will eventually open. Originally I rebooted the machine before any app had had a chance to open.)

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sjwright »

pgt wrote: post #397
heavyset_go wrote: post #45

Again, it turns out that Stallman[1] and others[2] were prescient. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html [2] https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Every year Stallman seems less crazy.

Only in relation to the wider world which is getting progressively more crazy.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Aperocky »

nnwright wrote: post #299
strawberrypuree wrote: post #226

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This is a soft failure. If the computer didn't have access to the Internet, it would still open.

From my experience during this outage, the ability for the computer to "open" may not actually mean much. While trying to fix what I assumed was a localized software issue I rebooted my machine. Typically this takes a minute or two. However during Apple's systems outage my rebooting took approximately an hour before my computer was in any way functional again.

so you can't even reboot without phoning home.

Or can you still reboot without wifi?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by erdos4d »

valuearb wrote: post #261
erdos4d wrote: post #185

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> Why is it scary that your computer checks for malware? It isn't just checking for malware, its broadcasting your app opening behavior to apple and anyone else who might be listening. > It’s not like Apple us building a database of apps you’ve launched linked to your address and social security number. You know this how? Seriously, I don't get why you would believe that.

Because Apple would not benefit from doing so, I’m fact could be hugely damaged doing so. They don’t have any significant advertising business. They don’t need to collect any personally identifiable information. They’ve promoted their brand by putting their customers privacy first. So why would you believe they would intentionally risk all of that here?

You are assuming that Apple would have a say in the matter. The US is deteriorating socially and becoming much more authoritarian every day. It is not at all outlandish to believe the US could simply compel Apple to store this information and/or funnel it right to the NSA/FBI/Whoever. They could even be ordered to lie and say they are respecting our privacy and would never do such a thing.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Aperocky »

twoodfin wrote: post #30
modeless wrote: post #19

You've got to be kidding me. When Apple's servers are down, all Macs worldwide start freezing randomly? My XCode is hanging during builds, is this why? This code signing enforcement stuff has gone way too far. Heads should roll for this.

Almost certainly so. Apple has built chains of certificate trust very deep into the OS, along with apparently an assumption that this particular revocation service check is reliable & fast enough to call out to the network a lot .

Oh man, imagining a DDOS to fail that over.

Imagine how many people would lost their productiveness, maybe not at the big corps or govt (I assume they use a version of mac that call somewhere else/don't). But very very many people.

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