YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by tux1968 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:23 PM UTC

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #401

This should be about impossible to enforce? Every developer and everyone who has ever cloned the repo has the complete source tree with commits. I can think of a list of countries where United States laws are not a concern, I imagine that shortly this will be one of the most distributed repositories ever. It also shows again that while free services like Github are convenient, and truthfully their interface is the on…

It's not access to the current program that is at stake, it's the ongoing public updates to handle changes made by the Youtube site.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by brink » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:23 PM UTC

Is there a decentralized version control system solution out there to host projects like this?

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by hprotagonist » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:24 PM UTC

https://archive.org/details/github.com-ytdl-org-youtube-dl_-...

if nothing else, today i finally actually used a bundle file:

  git clone ytdl-org-youtube-dl_-_2020-09-28_19-41-32.bundle youtube-dl

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by nivenkos » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:24 PM UTC

mmaunder wrote: post #226

CivBase wrote: post #99

> this seems outrageous the same way DMCA'ing a Bittorrent client would be Why stop there? I can use my browser to illegally download content, so I guess we better issue a DMCA takedown that too. But who even needs a browser? Let's issue a takedown for the GNU Project while we're at it because I could use wget to do the same thing. In fact, I could write my own program to illegally download content, so we better just…

This logic could have been used to outright ban dual cassette tape decks in the 80s. Why not ban the pen, since it can be used to hand copy books. RIAA needs to stay in their lane.

Honestly we need to start hosting community repos outside of the United States.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by theobr » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:26 PM UTC

This is a really sad moment for open source, especially for content creators and devs in media/content spaces. I've shipped youtube-dl for a user-facing (production) experience before. This sucks.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by mulmen » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:26 PM UTC

loup-vaillant wrote: post #338

eli wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DMCA is a bad law, but you'd have a harder time arguing a general purpose web browser meets any of the following conditions: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 (2)No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that— (A)is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a techn…

Reading (A) and (B), I cannot help but notice that it doesn't matter whether the primary purpose of the circumvention is to infringe copyright. It is enough that the software/service is primarily about circumventing the "technological measure". The technological measure itself doesn't even have to be primarily about preventing copyright infringement. It suffices that it effectively controls access to relevant works,…

Right, it gives creators freedom to build what they want. In this case, YouTube. The sword cuts both ways.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by FactCore » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

rgovostes wrote: post #48

YouTube-dl is a great tool that I've found use for a dozen times, and not once to download music or music videos. (Note that it works on sites beyond YouTube.) This takedown interferes with a number of legitimate uses that are completely independent of the RIAA's objectives.

I think a rebrand would and a healthy amount of not-with-a-10-foot-pole-itis in their attitude towards any mention of youtube or music downloading would be helpful. Like a secret menu item at a resturaunt you could use -dl to download youtube videos, but don't specifically endorse it.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by fireattack » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #297

So why does the Recording Industry Association of America get to decide whether a tool for downloading content on a service that is produced by people around the world and released under many different licenses exists or not? The RIAA and America in general has no right to police the rest of the world.

Because GitHub is also American?

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by fenwick67 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #442

Is there a decentralized version control system solution out there to host projects like this?

Yes, it's called Git.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by aeyes » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

jordigh wrote: post #86

I'm very scared by this. youtube-dl needs somewhat frequent updates as Google moves the youtube codebase around. I'm worried that the RIAA's next move, now that it's starting to get inconvenient to get youtube-dl, will be to make Youtube change in some way to make existing copies of youtube-dl no longer work. youtube-dl has been my primary way of getting videos since I learned about it. If the RIAA manages to kill it…

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