Why is Apple acting like an asshole? • Hacker News Board

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by tekknik » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:25 AM UTC

romanoderoma wrote: post #417

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If Apple had a dominant market position in smartphones then one could argue that end customers don't have much of a choice, but Apple only has at most 50% market share in the US and much lower globally. For my own smartphone usage I would much rather Apple choosing which features and APIs that third-party developers (of apps and websites) can use rather than those developers being able to do whatever they want. I thi…

The argument is not about market domination, but about money power Apple market is rich, it is the richest tech company, with the highest market valuation ever, one cannot avoid it So it's gonna drive adoption no matter what Like it did for Flash (right or wrong, they did it) I was writing web applications during the 90s, they were called intranets back then, IE wasn't bad, it was simply unavoidable And being unavoid…

So then write for all browsers, support what you can for each, and don’t promote Chrome anymore? If you continue to promote a one size fits all browser and the market moves that way then we’ll shortly be having this same discussion about Google. If you were writing websites in the 90s you should know this.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by shawnz » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:28 AM UTC

zeroimpl wrote: post #435

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But it's not necessarily because they use the old SDK that they are broken. And there have been betas available for some time

Betas being available doesn’t solve the problem because you can’t submit updates compiled using beta versions.

Right, but the point is you can use the beta to validate that your app, compiled with the old SDK, still functions normally on the new OS

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:29 AM UTC

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Several downsides Say the iOS update has brand new features. Your app can't take advantage of those fancy new features and your users don't get them until next week either. Possible marketing, usually Apple has categories in the App Store for apps that support the latest features or are ready for that iOS version. They could in theory do this next week I guess, but point is there's excitement today, and will be less…

The first point doesn’t make sense to me at all. No particular date was set for when users would be able to install apps with the new features. Point two seems weak. The idea that Apple won’t promote apps with the new features when they are released makes no sense at all. You make it sound like this is unlikely, but I don’t see why you’d think that. As for excitement - what excitement are we talking about? Users will…

Apple is currently running a section in the App Store for new apps to try on iOS 14. They’re going to get rid of it soon, and if you didn’t update in time to appear there…tough luck I guess?

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Post by Razengan » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

oarsinsync wrote: post #335

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> Walled gardens hurt innovation a lot How? What do you even define as """innovation"""? Honest question, I'd love to see some actual answers here instead of the usual canned hyperbole. So far Apple's users are mostly satisfied with them, happily voting with their wallets, and the only people complaining about Apple are mostly the developers and companies who want unfettered access to iOS' users, and I haven't heard…

One example I saw cited recently is the Web browser itself. This is according to one of the original iPhone developers at Apple: > Apple’s iOS rules would not have allowed for the invention of the web browser. Let that sink in. They would have rejected one of the most important technical innovations in the history of computing. Microsoft‘s bully tactic of making IE free seems quaint in comparison. > But here’s the ki…

I get what you're saying, but right now, in the current state of the industry, here's the thing:

People are free to "innovate" and experiment and invent on Android and the PC, and if an innovation is deemed desirable on Apple's curated platform — which they are perfectly within their rights to control, and millions of users continue to be happy with that — then Apple will make a provision for it.

On iOS, there would be a whole host of problems with allowing third-party browser engines and app stores that the people clamoring for looser restrictions have yet to address:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24469664

Not the least of which is: How would you enforce a user's settings for privacy and parental controls on third-party browsers and app stores?

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:55 AM UTC

tynorf wrote: post #379

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #251

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Safari on macOS supports push notifications and it hasn't intrinsically been a bad thing -- at worst, I have to tell a web site "no, I don't want your notifications." They're opt-in rather than opt-out like native app notifications are. The higher prices you and I are paying aren't protecting us from "low-quality" notifications as it is, anyway. At any rate, maybe you're so worried about single-page web apps being ba…

Just a point of clarification: native app notifications on iOS are absolutely opt-in. If the app wants to send notifications it requires a dialogue and user confirmation. Disappointingly, Apple makes an exception for their first party apps.

Thanks. It may be that the exception was stuck in my head. :)

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Post by stjohnswarts » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:58 AM UTC

dionian wrote: post #201

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True, but I can still run my program that I compiled back in 1999.

you also have largely the same OS and hardware architecture that you did in 1999

Lol what hardware do you think apple uses? ARM and Intel/AMD are all ancient designs with improvements bolted on.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by stjohnswarts » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:59 AM UTC

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I wish there was a bit more of that on the Win32/UWP reboot (Project Reunion, WinUI 3), .NET unification, C++/CX replacement.

I think Microsoft is at the point we're the old guard is leaving and the new hip kids take over who mostly only plugged libraries together because they never needed to write assembly. Maybe the knowledge of how to make backwards compatible systems is even slowly leaving with the old guard and they just will never know how to make it work ever again. A colleague of mine is very active in Microsoft's GitHub repos and i…

Yeah these whipper snappers can't possibly pick up c and assembly. Only boomers and gen x can do that.

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Post by fmakunbound » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:41 AM UTC

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> and security updates at the mercy of terrible carriers. Buy the hardware, install lineageos, insert SIM?

Is LineageOS the most trustworthy aftermarket smartphone OS out there? What makes it so?

It’s great, but you need a phone that’s popular with its developers.

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Post by ntsplnkv2 » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:45 AM UTC

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Apple does deliver value - a huge market of higher paying buyers than Android. That's their value. Not that their software releases will always be perfect. None of you will stop making iOS apps over this.

Just because some value is delivered in the form of paying customers doesn't mean Apple (or any business) should stop thinking about other ways to deliver value to their customers (being developers in this case). Full disclosure - I have developed many apps for iOS, but have never monetized them. I have used both Hybrid and native tech to do this. It has been probably 5 years since I've done Hybrid and about 15 month…

I don't think that they are - they've added numerous features to their hardware that software devs can interact with.

Honestly we just expect everything of everyone else and nothing of ourselves anymore. So they had some wonky version releases, like none of us on here have ever had issues like that before.

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Post by lern_too_spel » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:53 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #230

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I have not seen these things abused yet. The user agent prevents it.

Of course you haven’t seen them abused yet, iOS doesn’t allow it. I remember developers abusing notifications in Android Cupcake.

I don't use iOS. I use only mobile and desktop OSes that allow these things. I still haven't seen them abused.