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Post by soraminazuki »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #140
slg wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is using past violence as a threat of imminent violence while the other accounts you mentioned will generally reference violence indirectly or in the past tense. That is an important distinction.

He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence. This tweet, while in bad taste IMO, was a threat to those who are planning to continue looting and burning buildings in Minneapolis. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the videos, but there are full scale riots. Rioters completely looted a Target and burned it nearly to the ground. Is “shooting” the answer to that? Probably not. And hopefully the Nati…

If I'm not mistaken, being commander in chief doesn't mean that you're above the law. No US law that I'm aware of allows you to threaten mass execution of US citizens.

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Post by goldenManatee »

partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

I imagine other factors have to do with the technicalities of executing on this, and the user’s visibility and “viral-ity”. On the technical, you can automate the job and have awkward success sometimes if you don’t get a human to intervene and verify what the algo’s flag as potential violation tweets. Now considering the user, the user’s number of followers, whether they are public figures (so because elected, celebrity, activist, etc. reasons) or whether the tweet has gone viral (regardless of the user’s pre-existing popularity). These kinds of things influence because someone with visibility and audience making calls to violence or some other questionable act is distinct in how actionable others around the world are to react to such a figure making questionable statements. So it’s not a matter of policing everyone, because there’s a lot of nuance and challenges. And the answer isn’t to give up because that’s just cowardice in the face of a big social challenge. We’ve got to carefully experiment and wisely assess these cases.

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Post by sg47 »

devtul wrote: post #316
quietthrow wrote: post #277

Once again! Bravo Jack and the Twitter team! Thank you taking a stand against bullying.

Is the POTUS clearly inciting violence or is it another instance of people having a wild interpretation of what he said? I'm so tired of this dynamic that I don't even bother anymore.

You are making an assumption that the interpretation is wild.

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Post by dnissley »

augustt wrote: post #393
formalsystem wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1266340243134963712 EDIT: Scroll down a bit, the original poster made their account private a few moments ago

Damaging property is not violence.

By pretty much every definition it is violence.

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Post by sagichmal »

partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

> If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political.

There is no such requirement.

Twitter is well within its rights and ethically totally clear to "police" a sentiment from the President of the United States, while letting much more severe sentiments from egg accounts go un-policed.

Moderation isn't an algorithm, a binary condition, applied perfectly to an input set to get a deterministic output. It's subjective, and that's both OK and correct.

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Post by rhegart »

dmode wrote: post #399
jtbayly wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just going to say again that I can't for the life of me understand why people are in agreement that this tweet glorifies violence. It is a call to stop being violent lest violence increase. Looting always leads to shooting. This is a simple fact. I'm horrified that so many people think me saying that is glorifying violence. I don't understand it in the slightest. Seeing this tweet by Trump get silenced absolutely…

You should read up on the history of the phrase "when looting starts, shooting starts"

I say with great confidence that Trump is too stupid to know this. Maybe Stephen Miller his far right aide did and pushed the line as a dog whistle but tbh I never heard of it either till now.

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Post by dmode »

sevenf0ur wrote: post #349
kingnight wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. Just this week Twitter fact checked Trump's opinion on mail voter fraud by linking to other experts' opinions. It seems more like a move to influence the election rather than enforcing the rules.

Selective enforcement happens everywhere in the internet. For example if you go to T_D in Reddit, they will absolutely delete any anti-Trump posts. Does this mean Reddit is influencing elections ?

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Post by ddorian43 »

ddorian43 wrote: post #315

This how Donald Trump won in the first place. People just won't learn. They can continue bubbling themselves by losing the next election too and get shocked.

Downvoting me will increase your shock after the next election.

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Post by koheripbal »

dtf wrote: post #295
antishatter wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now if only they would crack down on the huge wave of Chinese bullshit they allow.

They added fact-checks to two of Lijian Zhao’s tweets yesterday. Not sure if that counts as a crackdown, but it’s a high level account. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52833063

Whether you agree with these actions or not - it doesn't bode well for Twitter.

Politicians and other organizations will work to offer up an alternative platform where they won't be censored.

These are literally the most powerful people in the world.

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