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Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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AMP really has to go away, its a MITM attack on the internet. Google discontinues so many services, why is AMP not one of them yet?

> Google discontinues so many services, why is AMP not one of them yet?

Because Google only discontinues useful services, and AMP is actively harmful (aka of negative usefulness)?

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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How does anyone think this is a good idea? It should be clear which news site I am reading when I'm reading an article. Otherwise, how do I know which bias to apply? On iOS, the title bar says "google.com" whether I'm reading an article from CNN.com or WashingtonExaminer.com. Of all the anti-competitive actions google has taken around search results, AMP is by far the worst. I hope they get smacked down for it in the…

This amp nonsense has long annoyed everyone and I'm puzzled why it's still around. It makes everything harder and confuses deeplinking, sharing, identifying sites and general navigation between pages.

When you say everyone you mean a tiny minority of developers. The actual users don't care or even know what it is. If anything they like it because it loads the page faster.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #366

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The worst thing I've seen recently is amp URLs for reddit threads. It's one bad thing (new reddit UI) wrapped in a worse thing (AMP), and getting back to classic reddit takes a lot of gymnastics. The stupid part is that the amp page is indistinguishable from the (new) reddit page (the AMP page comes complete with the "download our app" popup). So I don't see how it's providing any speed/experience benefit.

"The worst thing I've seen recently is amp URLs for reddit threads." How can I see this very specific example ? I would like to understand exactly what this looks like ... I am not a reddit user and I don't consume much web content on a phone, which is using Safari on an iPhone ... Would I need to download google chrome onto my iphone, then do a google search for a reddit thread, then click on that search result ? Or…

You just search for and find any reddit thread, and it is absolutely just as shittastic in any browser (I am using Safari on iOS).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/gadgets/commen...

This page is simultaneously encased by AMP, has multiple ways reddit is trying to get me to install an app that isn't going to help me right now as I am hopping between websites--I am going to glance at reddit for ten seconds and then a stackoverflow question and then a bugzilla issue and then a quora thread... the last thing I want right now is to end up in some app--but it also doesn't show me all the comments and is asking me to click through to get them... it used to be I clicked a search result and it showed me the reddit thread, with all the comments and without an app: I liked that :(.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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I don't understand why Reddit specifically puts up with AMP.

They already have a "good" mobile site. The AMP pages break reddit results and result in the constant annoyance of having to dismiss "Open in App?" banners both in the AMP view and on the mobile site. Everyone hates the AMP page. Why keep it? You already invested a ton of resources in the fast/nice mobile app...

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #26

AMP really has to go away, its a MITM attack on the internet. Google discontinues so many services, why is AMP not one of them yet?

The worst thing I've seen recently is amp URLs for reddit threads. It's one bad thing (new reddit UI) wrapped in a worse thing (AMP), and getting back to classic reddit takes a lot of gymnastics. The stupid part is that the amp page is indistinguishable from the (new) reddit page (the AMP page comes complete with the "download our app" popup). So I don't see how it's providing any speed/experience benefit.

Exactly. For Reddit the AMP version and the mobile site look almost exactly the same... except the AMP site performs worse due to the AMP restrictions.

So none of the "nice" Reddit mobile site features actually work, and supposed "one-time" annoyances like the "Download the App" pop-up don't get cookied under AMP and continue to annoy on every google search. Insane!

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #375

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> You'll only ever retrieve Google AMP cache results from the Google search page Uh, I keep seeing Google AMP URLs shared on social media, emails, etc etc. Which is quite annoying :(

The AMP team doesn't prefer these URLs shared either: If you click the browser share icon, or trigger the browser native share intent, the origin URL will be shared, not the AMP Cache URL. Only if you explicitly copy the URL bar will the AMP Cache URL be shared. The Signed Exchange spec that AMP has offered sites for a year now allows them to have their own URLs displayed in browsers that support it. In that case, th…

Exactly this. As a feature, social media platforms should automatically look up the canonical URL for a linked page.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #300

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Combined with that second thing I mentioned (required Google hosted JS), it is total control by Google with no straightforward way for me to detect it, block it or go around it, as I can today.

So if I understand correctly, your threat model is "Google will inject unwanted JS into a JS blob they host (like the amp.js from Google's CDN) and this will do nefarious (for some definition of nefarious) things to me without me knowing." How is this different than today, where many sites use js from google, either as a cdn or part of the ads infrastructure? I guess you can block some of those, but blocking the jque…

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Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #247

I got a new computer (Mac Mini) last week and, as the ritual usually goes, I opened Safari and was about to type “google.com/chrome”, then stopped myself and went to “getfirefox.com” instead. It’s been a while since I gave FF a serious look, and so far I haven’t felt like I’m missing anything. Next up, I need to change my default search engine to DDG. What’s a good privacy-oriented, web-based email service? I’ve hear…

>What’s a good privacy-oriented, web-based email service? I’ve heard of ProtonMail but haven’t used it. Been Firefox user out of conviction for 10+ years, made the switch to DuckDuckGo as my main search engine with about a year ago, no regrets. But Gmail? It's sticky. I have so much stuff tied to my email account and it just sucks looking for alternatives. I'd even happily pay. The main difficulty is finding a servic…

I've been "meaning" to switch off of Gmail for years, with all of the issues with Google. I switched to Firefox/Safari a couple years ago, then DDG a year ago..

Finally, a week ago, I switched my email to fastmail. Bought a new domain for 10 years explicitly for that purpose.

I'm slowly migrating everything to them... Every day or two I think of something else that needs to be migrated, and do it. I don't feel a need to rush because I just have them both simultaneously.

I have to say though, Fastmail feels better than Gmail in every way. The UI is fast and snappy, looks clean (with a few themes), includes a calendar and notes. The first month is free, so I figured I'd try it before I decided to go all in. After about 20 minutes I was sold and bought a year subscription...

They have this really cool feature with subdomain forwarding so you can organize things into folders automatically. As I've been migrating emails, I've been giving each service it's own unique email address. Eg `amazon@stores.domain.com` will automatically add the email to my "stores" folder, and I'll see it came from Amazon. I can put unlimited anything before the @ sign, which will be really nice for signing up for one-off forums. If they sell my email address or send spam, I'll know exactly who did it and can just block that address.

They also have a bunch of other features for organization like the "+ addressing" that Gmail has. I definitely recommend checking them out though. I feel so good having an email that won't get shut down

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