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A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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I know that the whole "have kids" thing, which we were thinking about, has basically been totally shut down. Nope, this is craziness, time to just survive for the next few years.

We had a baby in May, it was a bit uncomfortable being in the hospital but it everyone is healthy. I'm in Illinois and I am grateful our governor ordered stay at home. We were worried about over crowding at hospitals. But yeah....I don't think anyone would willingly have a baby right now.

Congratulations!

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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What age? I've noticed way more young people (teenagers and early 20s) exhibiting signs of anxiety and depression than people my own age (mid 40s). I never knew anyone with anxiety or depression growing up. But that probably has a lot more to do with mental illness not being discussed back than it not being around. But, even among me friend group nobody exhibited the signs that I see so clearly prevalent among my own…

I think they would say that their future prospects are a lot dimmer than yours were, precisely because boomers have strip-mined civilization for their own benefit and left your kids' generation holding the bag. At 37, I'm among the oldest of the millennials and I don't entirely agree with that assessment, but I think that's what they'd say.

I agree with you; however, the interesting thing is that instead of millenials asking boomers why they've gone and strip mined everything, the millenials are mad that there's nothing left to strip mine.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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I know that the whole "have kids" thing, which we were thinking about, has basically been totally shut down. Nope, this is craziness, time to just survive for the next few years.

On the plus side, if you catch a bad case of Covid then a birth this year will probably work out as free because you'll be hitting your out-of-pocket max anyway. Just make sure you time it so the birth doesn't hit on the next year or they'll get you for double. (yes, for international folks, people in the US who've thought it through really do base their family planning in large part on when their annual insurance li…

> out-of-pocket max

> yes, for international folks, people in the US

That's not the end of it. There's an "in network" deductible and "out of network" (OON) deductible.

Depending on the health plan you have and the state you live in, the hospitals can also "balance bill" if they are OON.

When giving birth, parents in the U.S. is very much expected to ask everyone involved, I repeat, everyone involved that they are not OON.

It's insane.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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You say that as if it COULD have been contained. What is unique about the USA compared to every other country that locked down? Whose fault was it that Italy, UK, Spain, Belgium, Germany had to lock down? This election year absurdity has warped the reality of this virus. The virus is insanely transmissible with a long incubation period and high percentage of asymptomatic carriers. It couldn't have been contained in a…

I'm not condoning the lockdown and agree that the danger of coronavirus has been vastly overstated, my point is that the U.S. government was not prepared. There were not enough tests, masks, and ventilators, and so NYC had to go into lockdown. Anecdotally my friends in NYC who suffered from all the symptoms of coronavirus were not able to obtain tests. Meanwhile South Korea never had to resort to any lockdown. Both t…

Agreed 100%.

1 detail that I think is relevant to the US learning lessons from this:

As incompetent as Trump is (and boy is he incompetent), having worked in the Federal gov't for 8 years, including 6 years under the Obama administration (I left after the Snowden revelations on moral grounds), there is nothing in my experience that tells me the Federal gov't in the US is competent in any way to deal with things like this virus.

Obama tried, but the dude inherited a steaming pile of old bureaucracies that make IBM look like a hot, nimble start-up. It is beyond horrible.

If you think that Trump made this worse, I agree. However, if you think it was anything more than a drop of water added to an ocean of mediocre apathy, then you haven't seen the Federal government agencies and the talent they retain (if you want to call it "talent").

Americans (whether left or right) need to stop arguing over the size of government and start focusing on it's spending efficiency and efficacy. It really is a travesty. Every now and then, I encounter a random coworker who is highly ineffective, and typically on the edge of being fired. I think back to my time working in the Federal sector, and realize that said person would be above average in any of the agencies I dealt with. We deserve better. And it's going to take a LOT more than a new president to get it. Trust me, I watched Obama's executive orders (for example, an open data executive order) get ignored or partially obeyed in optics only by the various bureaucracies. The Deep State is real, but it's not some nefarious, coordinated conspiracy. It's just a calcified collection of old, dispirited, soulless agencies filled with people riding their desks and avoiding risk at all costs. They avoid risk in the easiest way possible: defer action in favor of deliberation and meetings to ensure that blame is diffused if any action results in something bad happening. The government isn't like "House of Cards." It's like "Veep."

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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While the person you're responding to has a horrible tone, I've sort of grown to agree with the general sentiment. Most of the problems I've seen people face can be solved on their own, or could have been prevented on their own. Pandemic made you lose your job? Absolutely not your fault. Massive injury or illness wipe out your savings and leave you in debt? Absolutely not your fault. These are things we can and shoul…

But it's really hard for me to feel bad about people who end up with a massive amount of school loans. There are plenty of state school options available. Work moderately hard in high school and you'll get a massive discount on college, too. Would it be great if it were free? Absolutely. But it isn't. And that shouldn't be an excuse for ending up with a massive loan afterwards. I hear you, and you're absolutely right…

I'm not sure. Maybe lack of funding for high schools and below? Maybe peer pressure? Probably a combination of a few reasons.

I don't think there's a fundamental lack of ability for high schoolers to understand long term financial consequences.

Making college free would certainly "fix" this issue, and would be great for non-financial reasons, but it seems like a bandaid to the whole financial intelligence thing that will just push the issues down the line. It's not like once you become an adult you automatically become more financially intelligent (see: 2008, massive car loans, etc). I truly believe better or more focused high school education would help a ton.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Where do you see the data that 80% of people are asymptomatic? You complain elsewhere in this thread of being dismissed even when you have data, yet provide none. We understand that you think that the lockdowns are bunk and that this is a big non-issue cooked up by the world to ruin our lives; sure, maybe, but where is the data?

Here is a medical journal sufficient? This is more study than was given to full lockdowns. This was posted to Hacker News a few weeks ago as well. https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/05/27/thoraxjnl-20... "We understand that you think that the lockdowns are bunk " Correction...lockdowns ARE bunk. WHERES THE SECOND WAVE? Why hasn't Sweden followed the model of exponential explosion that was used to justify the l…

Thank you for posting the data. These are both brand new from yesterday, however, so I’m not sure why the tone here is so belligerent. Either way, this is incredibly interesting, and something we should continue to look into going forward. It sure would be nice to ease up on the lockdowns if they are not the correct path going forward.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Shit, our terrible healthcare system's given me what'd probably qualify as clinical anxiety for longish periods several times in the last few years, and that's despite being well into the top 20% most economically-fortunate Americans, consistently having health insurance , and not having really serious or chronic medical problems in my immediate family.

Same here. I am totally terrified of being in an accident or having a serious disease and then getting wiped out financially as I have seen others in similar situations. If you are lucky things usually work out but it can easily happen that you are liable for a $60000 helicopter ride or a $300000 hospital bill because somebody (not even you) has filled out some paperwork incorrectly.

> I am totally terrified of being in an accident or having a serious disease and then getting wiped out financially

For majority of people through history, a serious accident or disease would wipe them out biologically, not just financially. Were they totally terrified throught their lives because of it? I don't think so. It's all a matter of perspective.

I personally try to accept that my life will end, the ending will likely be agonizing and nasty, and it can happen at any moment. I don't know a lot about meditation, but I think some strains of meditation schools tend to focus a lot on this fact, with daily contemplation of decaying bodies etc. It's an ancient tradition which may actually contain a lot of wisdom.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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The quarantine made my depression and anxiety disorder much worse. About two weeks into quarantine, I started feeling paralysing sorrow about everything that ever happened to me, and the view of the future became grim. I guess the time alone made me confront my problems in a way I couldn't handle, so I resumed my psychotherapy and went back on anti-depressants. I still haven't figured out the way to get out of this o…

you need to face your problems head-on, yoga will not help with that

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's really hard for me to feel bad about people who end up with a massive amount of school loans. There are plenty of state school options available. Work moderately hard in high school and you'll get a massive discount on college, too. Would it be great if it were free? Absolutely. But it isn't. And that shouldn't be an excuse for ending up with a massive loan afterwards. I hear you, and you're absolutely right…

I'm not sure. Maybe lack of funding for high schools and below? Maybe peer pressure? Probably a combination of a few reasons. I don't think there's a fundamental lack of ability for high schoolers to understand long term financial consequences. Making college free would certainly "fix" this issue, and would be great for non-financial reasons, but it seems like a bandaid to the whole financial intelligence thing that…

I feel like you're making my point for me. Whatever the reason, it seems pretty clear that we as a society have made it more difficult for these kids to make good decisions, maybe just by virtue of the lack of education on how to do so. Chalking their collective indebtedness up to a lack of personal responsibility and a moral failing on their part is just lazy.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is a medical journal sufficient? This is more study than was given to full lockdowns. This was posted to Hacker News a few weeks ago as well. https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/05/27/thoraxjnl-20... "We understand that you think that the lockdowns are bunk " Correction...lockdowns ARE bunk. WHERES THE SECOND WAVE? Why hasn't Sweden followed the model of exponential explosion that was used to justify the l…

Thank you for posting the data. These are both brand new from yesterday, however, so I’m not sure why the tone here is so belligerent. Either way, this is incredibly interesting, and something we should continue to look into going forward. It sure would be nice to ease up on the lockdowns if they are not the correct path going forward.

If you do some research and start questioning the narrative the amount of demonization and arrogant dismissiveness you get for it will make you belligerent. lol

People are scared and when you disagree with the experts even if you're right you get treated poorly.

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