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Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens

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Re: Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens

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Post by fooster »

rosybox wrote: post #327
fooster wrote: post #200

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I expect to be able to sit in my seat without having my knees crushed? How about that for a start?

I'm 6'2" and my knees used to be painfully squeezed into seats and everything was incredibly uncomfortable on flights. At the time I weighed 275lb. I've since lost weight and I was surprised how much more comfortable flying is. You wouldn't think being obese would impact knees not having enough space, but my ass shrank in multiple directions and I have about four to five inches of free space now between the seat in f…

I'm 6ft, 190lbs so not substantially overweight. Airlines like Air Canada Rouge have a 29" seat pitch in standard economy. I find that very uncomfortable. Even their upgraded seats are very tight for me with my knees pressed up against the seat infront of me unless I sit bolt upright.

On many leisure routes from Toronto there is very little choice in flights either, so pay more means pay their business class rate which is quite expensive, or well go some very complex non-direct routing.

All of these options are horrible.

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Post by yibg »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #373
leesalminen wrote: post #221

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Then you could purchase a different fare class. The market has largely spoken already- people prefer lower fares over comfortable seats.

The prices does not scale up too well for the travelers, but for the airlines. The extra that you get does not match the huge jump in price.

Premium economy / economy plus seem to scale pretty well. Most of the times I’ve booked it’s been about 10% extra in cost for about 10% space on the plane. E.g 34 inches instead of 31 inches of pitch.

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Post by mlyle »

jonplackett wrote: post #414
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #275

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That negative messaging was driven by ULA in a desperate bid to close the door on their new competitor. If they could kill off enough contracts, SpaceX might have run out of runway before they established their business model.

There were lots of scientists and ‘experts’ on our TV in the UK. Do you think they were part of that? That would be some impressive PRing.

It's easy to be indirectly involved in something like that. Your PR finds outside experts that agree with your world view, because journalists often ask you where they can find independent validation of your claims.

Then when something like this happens, you can have your PR call up journalists they know and suggest a name or two that is likely to say what you'd hope for.

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Post by AnssiH »

petilon wrote: post #413

How did Airbus avoid the problem Boeing ran into? As I understand, Boeing wanted to use larger engines because larger, hotter engines burn less fuel. But increasing the diameter of the engine ordinarily means raising the wing in order to accommodate it but that would make the plane incompatible with existing infrastructure (such as jet bridges) at airports. For that reason Boeing positioned the engine forward on the…

Boeing 737 was designed to operate with minimal ground facilities and therefore it has low ground clearance for easier access.

Airbus A320 has a much higher ground clearance.

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Post by yibg »

geekamongus wrote: post #319
briffle wrote: post #199

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It is amazing, but if your Tall, or Wide, or have any kind of handicap, its miserable too..

Tall person here. Flights longer than 90 minutes really, really suck unless I've saved up enough miles to upgrade my seat something with more leg room.

It’s an interesting topic. Should everyone be able to travel for the same price or should different people pay different prices for whatever reason. Eg if someone is very over weight and can’t fit in a single economy seat, should the person get 2 seats for the price of 1 or should the person have to pay for 2 seats?

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Post by mlyle »

mihaaly wrote: post #148
jefe_ wrote: post #114

Boeing was still promising end of year FAA certification for 737 Max as recently as early December. Around that time, they had a spokesperson on CNBC who was asked directly how the outstanding steps (which indicated February at the earliest) aligned with their end of year statements and the position was essentially, 'we've been saying end of year and end of year could still happen.' When your brand is suffering a cri…

I am still a bit puzzled how cheerful some people seem about a product that was unable to fulfill its purpose: Starliner getting to its intended destination. Seems like they cheer that it stayed in one piece at least. Not too promising.

Because it's a test that showed a large number of things went right, and otherwise didn't meet overall objectives for a small, trivial reason.

That is, the amount of project surface that it increased confidence in is as great or greater than the amount it called into question.

Re: Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens

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Post by na85 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #438
na85 wrote: post #431

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Are you suggesting that a 320 won't pitch up if you firewall the throttle at low indicated? You have two massive sources of thrust below the centre of gravity. If you advance the throttle it will create a nose-up pitching moment.

Are you suggesting that a 320 won't pitch up if you firewall the throttle at low indicated? Correct. An A320 won't pitch up as dramatically as a 737, mostly due to FBW magic.

>An A320 won't pitch up as dramatically as a 737

Ok, glad we agree it'll still pitch up.

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Post by mlyle »

bkor wrote: post #399
sidlls wrote: post #383

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I’m not at all puzzled that a bunch of people commenting in a hacker forum don’t understand very much about engineering like this. Astronautical and aeronautical engineering are difficult. The fact that we’ve been in space 50-odd years doesn’t mean we’ve perfected anything to the point where we should expect a flawless mission on the first go even for something like this.

The suggested failure/problem was in the software side.

Maybe not even in software, but procedures. Still, this is common. A big share of space failures are, on some level, failures of software and procedures.

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Post by turtlecloud »

jonplackett wrote: post #422
jefe_ wrote: post #114

Boeing was still promising end of year FAA certification for 737 Max as recently as early December. Around that time, they had a spokesperson on CNBC who was asked directly how the outstanding steps (which indicated February at the earliest) aligned with their end of year statements and the position was essentially, 'we've been saying end of year and end of year could still happen.' When your brand is suffering a cri…

I think there were just waiting to fire him right before Christmas

nah they were planning for Hanukkah

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Post by johnnyletrois »

papito wrote: post #284
sudoaza wrote: post #281

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have you seen anyone ever happy in a cubicle?

In contrast, it's impossible to spot someone miserable on a jet ski.

We had new jet skis on a boat I worked on. The owners were scheduled for a trip soon and we needed to break them in. We had a poor deckhand running up and down fjords for days breaking them in. In BC. In winter. Poor guy was a champ though.
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