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Post by dwild »

PKop wrote: post #273
dwild wrote: post #268

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> The creators end up getting a crapto token at the end of it and then have to wait a long time to accumulate enough to justify the time, hassle and transaction fees to turn it back into actual money they can spend on beer/rent/etc. All for some tiny fraction of the browser market. The same would be true for actual dollars... you would have to wait for it to get high enough to justify the transaction fees but also th…

Ok, but the difference with waiting to accumulate dollars vs waiting to accumulate crypto currency is that with crypto you are subject to massive currency fluctuations while you wait to cash out. Just look at BAT price volatility and decline over last year.

> Ok, but the difference with waiting to accumulate dollars vs waiting to accumulate crypto currency is that with crypto you are subject to massive currency fluctuations while you wait to cash out.

Most exchange won't let you cash out over small amounts, but you can still exchange it. You aren't subject to fluctuation if it's already exchanged.

It's so weird the amount of misinformation here... I know that people here may hate cryptocurrencies, but it's the same thing as having it stored somewhere in a DB. The only difference is that you can actually do something with it.

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Post by cyborgx7 »

arghwhat wrote: post #334
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

Yes, this is a perfectly sensible stance, which of course requires you to actively pay for content instead, either through brave or some other program. I'm sure you're not just expecting content creators to make stuff for you full-time entirely for free. Ads should die, but it requires consumers to realize that they need to pay for content one way or another.

I do pay several patreon, have automatic transfer set up for two projects, and a long standing subscription to a website I'm a fan of.

But people don't need to realize anything for ads to die. All they need to realize is that they should all be using ad blockers and never ever turning it off again.

Being able to make people look in your direction long enough to show them something else they might spend money on is not valuable. It doesn't need to exist.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by cyborgx7 »

nybble41 wrote: post #277
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

So don't opt-in. There are other ways to acquire BAT and support the sites you visit in Brave besides watching ads.

No. You don't understand. It's not enough for me not to see ads anymore. I want the advertising industry to die. The entire thing. Its existence is harmful to society.

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Post by tuesdayrain »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

I would not call opt-in ads that you receive money for viewing "hostile". It's not an insignificant amount of either, especially if the price of BAT appreciates.

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Post by buboard »

dorgo wrote: post #413
nicpottier wrote: post #189

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You can, though requires jumping through all the usual KYC hoops for buying a cryptocurrency, since that's what they use for micropayments. All managed through Uphold.

BAT is etherium based. If you happen to own some Ether it should be possible to buy BAt without (additional) KYC striptease.

BAT is in all major (and minor) exchanges so it should be easy to/from any cryptocurrency

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lonelappde »

elsurudo wrote: post #418
leftyted wrote: post #307

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> To me the current option is no participation because I see no explicit ads. The web is pull and not push, and my browser renders whatever I want it to. Yes and Brave's argument is that if everyone acted like you, the web as we know it would collapse. Perhaps it's an argument worth taking seriously. And I say that as someone who acts like you.

Good riddance. The web was a finer place before this ad boom.

What gives you the right to say I don't deserve to see ads if I want to,?

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Post by dkersten »

harikb wrote: post #312
asdkhadsj wrote: post #292

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Yea, I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs - and then I could just put that money into the system. Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. I'm a firm believer that FOSS and (Internet) Content needs funding. Yet, I loathe ads. They promote (but are not solely to blame for) behavior that is a brain drain on soci…

The reality is that your eyeballs are something like $200/month. You are just not likely to pay that money. When you factor in money thrown away at bot/fraud, advertisers spend a shit load of money just to reach you (and indirectly pays for a whole lot of entertainment tv-shows/web-content)

If I could choose to pay for just the content I want, it wouldn't be $200/month, because I'd carefully pick and choose what I care enough about to pay for. I spend most of my online time on a very small number of sites and same few youtube channels, many of whom I already pay on patreon, if I had to pay a little more to cover streaming/video hosting, that cuts google out of the financial picture, I would totally do that. I do not like google, but I do like the handful of content creators that I follow. Any other time I spend online is idle time that I could do without and if forced to pay for it, it would actually help me break a habit I don't particularly want in the first place.

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Post by RandomBacon »

didericis wrote: post #339
TremendousJudge wrote: post #256

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>when you compare against the current option To me the current option is no participation because I see no explicit ads. The web is pull and not push, and my browser renders whatever I want it to. As for the revenue, they can keep it for all I care, why would I want to make money browsing the web? It'd be like making money for talking a walk in the park

Like it or not, revenue is required to keep sites online. Hosting costs money. Design costs money. Maintenance costs money. If the internet is to stay as alive and as open/accessible as it currently is for the public at large (despite increases in censorship), there needs to be more effort put into high availability and accessibility by more people than the enthusiasts who run revenue free sites/businesses that have…

> Like it or not, revenue is required to keep sites online.

> Hosting costs money. Design costs money. Maintenance costs money.

Then maybe we'll get less blogspam and have a higher signal-to-noise ratio of sites run by people who are passionate about things and know what they're doing, instead of crap trying just get clicks to get paid.

Maybe videos would be 1 minute of quality content rather than 10 minutes of "be sure to click subscribe". Etc.

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Post by nybble41 »

melvinram wrote: post #414
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Give me an ad-free option. I'd rather pay a monthly fee to fund the BAT that gets distributed to content creators than to view ads.

You already have that option. BAT can be purchased on Coinbase and other exchanges without viewing any ads.
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