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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by stakhanov »

dx034 wrote: post #392
stakhanov wrote: post #336

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One important difference between Brandenburg and Saxony that I'm guessing may have played a role: There is a component of the corporate tax called "Gewerbesteuer" which, in Brandenburg, is set at city-level and differs widely from city to city, whereas in Saxony it is high across the board. My guess would be that there must have been a mayor somewhere in Brandenburg that made them an offer that no mayor in Saxony cou…

It's set at a city/regional level in all of Germany, there are just very few areas that offer very low taxes. Those tend to be close to large cities to get companies to move headquarters out of the city. Hamburg and Frankfurt also have areas with one of the lowest tax rates just outside of city limits (not sure if Munich has one). In the end, I'm not sure if it makes such a big difference, other incentives, land pric…

...but in the countries of the former east there is barely any variation, whereas in Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg and Brandenburg there is massive variation. Also, you'd expect that in the countries of the former east, taxes would be lower to attract more business activity, but the opposite is the case, since those tend to have more left-leaning leadership.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by rswail »

propercoil wrote: post #86
jayalpha wrote: post #67

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I don't understand your post at all. "so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's." Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars. "This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations" What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU? "and basically removed Customs tax" This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free tra…

EU regulations prohibit the turning angle of the wheel unlike the U.S. You simply can’t navigate on autopilot in the same way. Also the EU makes money from the auto companies in their jurisdiction and they don’t want a U.S auto company competing with them. Now that Tesla opens a factory in Germany “massages” things. The customs tax is in regards to countries/jurisdictions other than the ones with the Tesla factories.…

> Also the EU makes money from the auto companies in their jurisdiction and they don’t want a U.S auto company competing with them.

I believe that Ford might have something to say about that. They've been in Europe since... 1967.

Or GM since 1986 (now Opel and Vauxhall).

Or the existing Fiat-Chrysler.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pbreit »

marvin wrote: post #224
pbreit wrote: post #172

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Crazy to think that Tesla will likely get a factory done in less than a year.

I'm guessing they'll take longer to get things done in Germany than in China, but hoping that they'll bring their relentless efficiency to Europe as well :)

China was 168 days so I agree and comment stands.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by oska »

ptaipale wrote: post #430
oska wrote: post #425

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Looking at that map I'd assume they're planning on building the factory in the cleared area at the top, just off the Lichtenower Weg, with good close access to Highway 1.

Yes, that makes sense. It's a bit of a shame that there's no Google Street View in much of Germany.

It seems my guess was wrong. This map [1] shows where the factory will be cited (apparently based on some German media reports).

[1] https://i.redd.it/eze28dydmiy31.png

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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kayoone wrote: post #435
BeatLeJuce wrote: post #433

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Could you name a few companies in Berlin that pay "close to faang" level in Berlin?

I don't know what Google pays for a Senior engineer, but from what I know about Amazon it's about 70-100k. Other companies that pay on this level: - Zalando - HERE Technologies - N26 - Delivery Hero - Soundcloud - VW/Mercedes/Porsche backend startups (Proshare, Coup, Porsche Digital Lab) And many smaller ones. From my circle, most Senior engineers earn in the 70-100k range total compensation. Since Berlin is still qu…

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by odkamkfn »

sangnoir wrote: post #391
odkamkfn wrote: post #273

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Not the parent poster, but I certainly reject the concept of gentrification, or at least reject it as something to be avoided.

> I certainly reject the concept of gentrification What do you feel about non-resident Chinese nationals investing in real-estate in your city & driving up prices? I noticed HN tends to be ok with gentrification if it's done by well-paid geeks, but not when the same group gets priced-out.

"Gentrification is a process of changing the character of a neighborhood through the influx of more affluent residents and businesses."

1. I'm not a well-paid geek.

2. What you are describing isn't gentrification.

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CathedralBorrow wrote: post #268
kmlx wrote: post #265

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> Having a Google office with >400 decidedly well-compensated people move in would very much change the neighborhood and not for the better. i don't understand this. so berlin would rather have poor citizens? how is that better for the city? and how would >400 "well-compensated" people affect the city in anything but a positive manner? has there been any sort of study as to how better wages affect a city?

Do you reject the entire concept of gentrification or is there something about this particular instance you have trouble understanding?

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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robert_foss wrote: post #271
kmlx wrote: post #265

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> Having a Google office with >400 decidedly well-compensated people move in would very much change the neighborhood and not for the better. i don't understand this. so berlin would rather have poor citizens? how is that better for the city? and how would >400 "well-compensated" people affect the city in anything but a positive manner? has there been any sort of study as to how better wages affect a city?

There is a finite and already fully utilized number of domiciles. Adding 400 well off families would undoubtedly displace 400 not so well off families over time. All while jacking up prices of apartments/food/services for everyone. Where is the positive net effect for people here? The city&state will earn more tax revenue, but for the neighborhood there's nothing positive that's going to happen.

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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mariorossi666 wrote: post #302
kmlx wrote: post #265

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> Having a Google office with >400 decidedly well-compensated people move in would very much change the neighborhood and not for the better. i don't understand this. so berlin would rather have poor citizens? how is that better for the city? and how would >400 "well-compensated" people affect the city in anything but a positive manner? has there been any sort of study as to how better wages affect a city?

> so berlin would rather have poor citizens? not everything is about money I take "poor citizens" but cultural fecund Berlin anytime over "rich" USA cities with homeless people living on the streets while FAANG workers spend half of their huge salary on mediocre apartments > and how would >400 "well-compensated" people affect the city in anything but a positive manner? a city is not only (I would say not at all) the…

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