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Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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For the last year I have been logged into Windows as my son (complete with getting weekly screentime reports about myself) because I once tried to set up a network game of Minecraft and somehow this associated a Microsoft account with my previously offline user account. There is no way to undo this without creating a new account from scratch and deleting the old one.

Yeah, Microsoft accounts have always been a horrible mess...

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Face logon takes some seconds to initialize, and if you interrupt it it gets confused. But the solution to your issue is to have the type cover closed when you unplug it.

That is hardly a solution to a security issue. I can't ensure the burglar keeps the cover closed

The burglar won't have your face?

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Used to be that you shouldn't install Windows online to prevent getting exploited by malware before you had a chance to patch. Now it looks like one has to install offline to prevent getting adware and all kinds of other things, what amazing progress. As somebody still stuck on Win7 I'm dreading the change, sadly Linux is not really an option because I like my PC gaming. Any good resources on what to look out for whe…

Linux PC gaming has gotten much better (except for VR).

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Rant: I'm just using MS Win for the first time after 15 years of using Linux (most recently KDE/Plasma on Ubuntu) .. how does anyone not throw the thing out the window.

I have a surface pro with dock for extra screens. Every time you undock-redock you now have to rearrange your windows .. no workspaces? Does anyone at MS even use their stuff? Why would it not show a "docked view" and "undocked view" automatically?

As for the lack of "keep above", and nevermind "focus follows mouse but don't raise", ... argh.

You can install apps to fix these things (some AutoHotKey based, for example) but as a daily work tool it seems awfully deficient; and of course our IT people won't allow installs.

It doesn't seem feature complete for the basic task of window management.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Meanwhile, the Linux world is wasting its biggest opportunity to take over the desktop space. IMO, Unintuitive interfaces (e.g. Gnome shell), forced package management (as opposed to decentralized distribution of apps) and lack of care for graphic design are the biggest things keeping the masses away from the Linux desktop, because in other areas (speed, robustness, privacy, control) it just blows Windows out of the…

> forced package management (as opposed to decentralized distribution of apps)

Come on - downloading random binaries off of random websites and running them is a bad idea. It's always been a bad idea. This is the reason casual people get infected with random trojans, adware, malware, and so on, and the main reason Windows desktops tend to be such a cesspool.

You can still do it on Linux, but it's an exception to the rule not the other way around.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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There isn’t just one app, there are plenty. Excel and adobe cs are the obvious ones. If you’re not in programming (exclusively) you’re stuck on Windows or Mac.

Latest excel has gold level support: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... I know there are plenty of things that don't work with wine, but realistically, how many of them does each person need to work, and how many are "defaults"? For example if you spend 90% of your time in illustrator, do you need excel specifically, or "an app with text in cells"? And if you're crunching market data in e…

> Latest excel has gold level support

"The test results for this version are very old"

"What works: "Basic editing of the slides (inserting and formatting texts, images)""

"What was not tested: "Advanced functionality""

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Nobody has tested it recently, nobody knows if "advanced" features work, and they think it's PowerPoint. What does 'Gold' mean?

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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The reason why I feel like I’m stuck is based on my personal use case. Basically I need two things: A. Being able to use some proprietary software not available on Linux B. Being able to self build so I can select the HW that works for me With Linux I lose A and with Mac I would lose B. I’m thinking that a combo Mac Mini + Tower PC with Linux could work, but using two OSes at the same time, even with shared NAS, KVM…

You could go the hackintosh route. Though I haven’t tried it in a decade or more, I’ve seen some people with pretty cool setups. Certainly more work to maintain than just Linux or an official Mac.

You could also install untrusted, untested, potentially hostile code running at the highest privileges levels if you go the hackintosh route.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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As far as I can figure out, you also need to opt for manually unlocking bitlocker via USB key (prone to copy/theft) or via typing in a passphrase (inconvenient) in order to safeguard the encryption key. Windows will otherwise use hsm to store your key (as evidenced by eg face unlock working) - it's not at all clear how that could possibly be secure if an attacker steals your device?

If the key is in the HSM, then what's protecting your data is the trust in the boot chain not being broken, and the OS login not not being compromised (theoretically). Booting an alternate OS, or removing the media will result in the HSM not giving up the key, and rendering the drive unusable for all attackers except those able to physically probe the HSM chips and extract keys. (theoretically)

Right. It's not really the hsm itself I worry about (although as we saw with the Xbox hack people are able to do some crazy stuff) , but the possibility of working around/breaking the os login manager - manipulating the camera or hooking up a custom "keyboard" or some such.

For example i have trouble trusting pin login against brute force when the attacker has unrestricted physical access - including the possibility of replacing/manipulating the ram chips etc.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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You could go the hackintosh route. Though I haven’t tried it in a decade or more, I’ve seen some people with pretty cool setups. Certainly more work to maintain than just Linux or an official Mac.

Recently hackintoshed a XPS 15 9550, and holy shit it became the best laptop I’ve used so far. Everything (including bluetooth and wifi) works, no butterfly keyboard shenanigans, still decent performance, lots of ports (including hdmi and usb 3), the touchpad works perfectly (with all multitouch gestures).

Hey, how do you know those hacked kexts you have to install to get macOS on a non apple machine don’t contain a keylogger?

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Pop_os! has done a lot for user experience (install and use), trending closer to macOS. I do see efforts being made towards capturing desktop users.

It's great, but...good lord, that name. If your hope is to appeal to the masses, there are in my view two cardinal sins in OS naming: 1) Don't put "OS" in the name. It's an automatic "nerd alert." macOS is an exception because you don't have a choice to install it, and Apple is...well, Apple. They're often an exception to many things. 2) No punctuation marks, symbols, etc. Just letters. Pop_OS! breaks both of them, a…

You speak the truth. I've tried to explain this to them previously but they just ignore it. I use Arch now, but if I had to use something Debian-based I'd pick PopOS.

My wife now uses PopOS. It may have been easier to convince her to use it if the name wasn't ridiculous. She likes it now, though.

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