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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

iamsb wrote: post #434
benj111 wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto tuning radios are quite nice, and automatic chokes. But in general I agree, I don't want to be battling some interface whilst I'm trying to drive. I'm surprised there havent been moves in Europe to ban the Tesla type, everything on a tablet setup. I'm not allowed to use a phone whilst driving, why is a big screen on the centre console any different?

I was under the impression that tesla lets you adjust most of the settings using voice command, is that incorrect?

Are you suggesting from a safety point of view?

Perhaps? I know the latest studies suggest hands free phone calls aren't much better than handed phone calls [1], I don't know if there would be a difference between a conversation and barking out instructions in this context.

Id still prefer buttons.

[1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2016/07/...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kybernetikos »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #235
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #229

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I’m not a Tesla owner but it does seem to me that buying in to the company that has single handedly changed the landscape of electric vehicles is a pretty exciting notion. I’d be happier to have a vehicle built on seemingly better principles and support the company even if they’re not perfect. But then I use Linux even though it’s difficult at times because what I am using is more important than any specific flaws it…

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

> Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you.

Surveillance capitalism. Ownership as a service.

They also restrict the repairability via software.

It's as far from gnu as its possible to be.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

benj111 wrote: post #435
xedeon wrote: post #422

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Yes: https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 That video tutorial is now outdated since there has been many UI improvements, but the steps should still be the same.

Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior.

Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0

Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by UIZealot »

kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

My Model S came with a 3G connection and everything worked pretty well.

Then one time I decided to tether it to my phone. Soon after I got a software update, and I went ahead and applied it.

Big mistake. The update not only changed the GUI substantially, but also broke the navigation system and the voice command system.

The navigation system now gives two or three instructions and then nothing, it'd still be active and following the route on screen, but no more instructions.

The voice command system took around 5 seconds to get ready to record, while it was instantaneous before the update.

I took it in for service. They seemed to know about the navigation system problem. But all they could do was to apply the latest update. It didn't fix the navigation system, and the voice command system now takes around 10 seconds to get ready.

Overall I still like the car, but I don't think I'll ever get another, not while they're still pushing out half-baked software updates that could potentially cripple critical functionalities.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

coder543 wrote: post #258
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Look carefully, it isn't going the wrong way: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kennedy+Park+Pl,+Californi... It's just a really bad parking lot design. Regardless, Smart Summon doesn't currently care about things like directionality in a parking lot. This version doesn't try to do anything fancy like reading markings on the pavement. The app will show you on a satellite map the route that the car is planning to go,…

"This version doesn't try to do anything fancy like reading markings on the pavement"

Isnt that below minimum viable product for something expected to be used with other people around?

"As the person supervising its behavior"

I'm sure Uber said the same thing to the drivers on its self driving program.

We all know human nature though, it isn't right to abdicate responsibility to someone you know is going to start blindly trusting your 'good enough' system.

As a non Tesla owner, I don't want to be an inadvertent beta tester for these technologies.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

thrower123 wrote: post #437
benj111 wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Give me physical buttons and knobs any day. I'm afraid with the direction that things are going, that may become more and more difficult, and go the way of crank windows and manual transmissions, however. Oh well. The way that sticker prices keep going up on new pickup trucks, frankensteining old ones together and rebuilding the engines and transmissions is looking like more and more of a viable and cost-effective op…

Get yourself a horse and buggy. Time tested approach. Just watch out for the manure.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by aembleton »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Don't you find a reversing camera useful? You can see much more than with your rear view mirror.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jlg23 »

aembleton wrote: post #447
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Don't you find a reversing camera useful? You can see much more than with your rear view mirror.

As an additional feature, yes, not as a replacement. The great thing about actual mirrors is that they don't need power to function and they can be replaced with any other in worst case.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by universenz »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

There seems to be a lot of BlackBerry owners in this thread!
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