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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #428

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honestly people have just been uploading to pornhub and similar sites. they have practically no content restrictions. the meme has been to add pornographic industry titles to benign non sexual videos. that part is just for fun and views

I wasn't aware of that, but it's charming to think of Pornhub deleting videos for being "Insufficiently Pornographic", and then for the uploader to argue that anything can be pornographic to someone. Eventually culminating in a court case based on the "I know it when I don't see it" principle.

lol or more likely just rebrand once enough people have moved over

Hope they keep the adult ad networks though. Thats key infrastructure

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post #157

Lets keep in mind that YouTube has been around for 14 years... In societal terms that's a relatively short amount of time to have a free platform where anyone can post their ideas, no matter how crazy or toxic. Before that, you could blog. Before that, you could stand on a street corner and yell, or maybe use a megaphone. The platforms for broadcasting your message to a large audience were mostly gated, often by larg…

>There is the right to say and think whatever you want. That does not imply the right to have your message amplified to millions.

If ~90% of a population has access to this and you don't, the "right to say and think whatever you want" means very little.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #408

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Why do you only have one google account?

Is having multiple (non-company) Google accounts allowed per their TOC?

Since you don't need to verify your true identity, such rule would be totally pointless even if it were there.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Is this an argument about free speech? Its more about the arbitrary practices which affect people’s livelihood while youtube retains all the profits from content it eventually disagrees with This anticompetitive behavior can be curbed using the people’s government in ways that have nothing to do with free speech

Are there alternatives? Yes, tons of them. Don't like Youtube? Don't use Youtube. Simple.

And simultaneously use existing arbiters created by the people to change youtube’s internal policies

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #252

Meanwhile, YouTube is flooded with pseudo-humoristic content from "artists" such as Paul Logan. Hopefully we will be able to transfer knowledge with short Instagram stories and accelerated video posts. Until it get censored and a new unregulated plateform appears

Surely someone by now has created a distributed video streaming system coupled with search? Maybe based on bittorrent or something? It seems like an obvious solution to this issue. It wouldn't be fast, and videos might not be as "permanent" (depending on number of "seeders").

The problem seems to be centralization of content and distribution; this seems to be the problem ultimately with many services and "platforms" on the internet. Decentralize it all, make it so that your browser is also a "server" or something of that nature, let the users become "peers".

Yes - I am aware of the various projects out there working on this, but all of them seem to be doing their own thing, with no standards or interoperability - maybe that's a good thing? It is fragmentary - but again, maybe that's better for the ecosystem as a whole?

The only downside is ultimately the ISP level; they already have TOS terms that they can arbitrarily enforce to prevent using "servers"; they currently don't because of so many things out there that need to operate like this, but they technically could, blocking all kinds of stuff, including a distributed "web" (or whatever you want to call it).

So many of these problems can be traced back to when all you had was a form of dialup modem system, and we were conditioned to think that we weren't "peers" on the internet, because the speeds were so slow. We were conditioned to think that our ISP was the endpoint, and we were just paying them to get some of their stuff - and in turn, we turned them into the "gatekeepers". Today, we have always-on connections that would rival or surpass what were actual peerage speeds back then - yet we still have the same broken model that (technically) prevents us from being free to set up our own servers and anything else we want (unless we pay a lot more money for so-called "business class" service - which some providers won't allow you to purchase if the end point is at a "residential address").

This all needs to change - but we might be way, way too late.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #359

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You may be applying an uneven standard by wanting to ban the speech that turns your stomach, but not the speech that turns the Corporate Overlord's stomachs. You could argue that hacking videos encourage computer crime - the counterargument would be that there are plenty of reasons to talk about something other than to actually encourage people to do it. In fact, Alex Jones' defense in one court case he was in was th…

The US is one of the few countries that believes in a radical, unlimited right to free speech. Most other countries, it is not tolerated, and this has not lead to a slippery slope. Claiming that the families of shooting victims are actually "crisis actors" would not be tolerated under British forms of slander/libel law; Nazi apologism/fetishism or rallying is not tolerated under German laws. These societies aren't ju…

Have you moved to Europe yet?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #179

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How about they disallow all the illegal content you are using as examples? Legal speech should not be censored.

What I was trying to paint was a slippery slope of cases -- start with something illegal and move towards things which are grey to legal. The question is every such business would need to face, including youtube, is where to draw the line. Child porn clearly is illegal and very few people would object to such a ban. But legal/not legal isn't always so clear, eg, what statement constitutes libel and is a given person…

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #117

Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

This comment reminded me of the last lines of Hotel California: "You can check out any time you like // But you can never leave!"

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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post #117

Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

Ah, but we do know how to navigate the wilderness. You see, we built this city. We built it on ARP and IP. And we can build it again - next time with better foundations.

The gatekeepers underestimate how long tastemakers are willing to go without them to discourage long-term bad behaviour.

My only regret is that I did not contribute to building DuckDuckGo.

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