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Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It doesn't seem to be that accurate, as expectation was for it to have smoother photo sphere, but it has irregular bulges (5 of them). I think they discussed it briefly in the press conference as well. It would be interesting to see if this would change understanding of general relativity and may be give a hint for a theory of quantum gravity.

What bothered me more about the video is that of you watch the whole thing, he ends up talking about some theory which leads to another type of image prediction. He never actually explains why he chose to go with the former prediction rather than the latter.

The whole video was him explaining why the image would look the way it ended up looking. darkpuma was overly patient when explaining this to you.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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The thought struck me that the interferometry technique used must have gathered data from a much wider field of view than of just the black hole. Burried in that 5 petabytes of data is likely a scan of a much larger field of view at a similar resolution.

Yes. But since you have a bright spot in the center of the larger image and you only have a limited number of baseline between pairs of telescopes there will be all kinds of artefacts in the outer portion of that large image. So it get's cropped away. (Most of it is actually never even computed).

I still think it would be worth pursuing. I hope the raw data will be made available at some point... Not that I have 5 petabytes free space available right now...

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Can you expand on this?

What they're saying is that we had to send a camera away from the Earth (in a rocket) in order to photograph it properly, and similarly you'd need to send a camera away from our galaxy (in a biiiig rocket) in order to be able to photograph it properly.

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Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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The black hole itself is spherical, but the light we're seeing around it isn't projected by the event horizon; rather, it's light from behind/around the black hole that isn't blocked. This video explains in much more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

But if it's spherical, should not the light be all around it?

The light is emitted from an accretion disk, which does not envelope the entire sphere.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Smart move by Veritasium, making a video commenting the news just before the news actually happens. Time works in weird ways around black holes. Anyways, it is a good one. So is that channel in general. It is also a good video if you just watched Interstellar, because it also explains why the black hole looks the way it does in the movie. Note that the movie black hole rendering is slightly incorrect for artistic rea…

It's too bad we cannot see the accretion disk edge-on as in the video. That would have made it a perfect prediction. Maybe it's so thin that it's overwhelmed by the projections of the top and bottom of the back side of the disk.

May be we can see higher resolution if we build an additional telescope.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Pardon my naïveté, I never took advance physics, but if light can't escape from a blackhole, then how can we "take a picture" of one?

Same way we can take a picture of a shadow - by taking a picture of the stuff surrounding it. This black hole is surrounded by a bright accretion disk.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #176

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> 55 million light years didn't he correct himself and said kilometers

He corrected himself to say 500 billion billion kilometers after mistakingly saying light years. I haven't done the math, but I believe that roughly equates to 55 million light years.

Yup, My bad.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It's too bad we cannot see the accretion disk edge-on as in the video. That would have made it a perfect prediction. Maybe it's so thin that it's overwhelmed by the projections of the top and bottom of the back side of the disk.

May be we can see higher resolution if we build an additional telescope.

More distant (longer baseline), not merely additional sensors.

Resolving power is proportional to the (virtual) aperture size, not the total sensor area (that gives more signal strength).

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