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Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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I keep hearing this but I find Google Play Music to be way, way worse.

So because Google Play Music is worse at X, that means Spotify's X can't be bad? Or are you saying the bar is: "as long as there's something worse"

You're extrapolating here. Maybe I was not clear enough. I've never found Spotify's interface to be that bad, but have the same sentiment you hold for Spotify towards Google Play Music.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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White space has its purpose - grouping and the principle of proximity comes to mind. Of course this argument comes down to how much white space is appropriate and we may actually agree, but if you're indicating that the whole idea of white space, and other Gestalt principles, is a fad, I think you're wrong.

I think GP is just saying that white space is not the only way to apply Gestalt principles. There's hardly a clearer indication of which things belong together than surrounding them with a border.

That is true: there are multiple ways to visually split and group things. Lines, space, color, and shadows come to mind; each with trade-offs.

A down-side of space for grouping is that it uses up screen real-estate and can result in the need to scroll more. Scrolling not only takes up user time, but makes it hard to compare information on the screen, because two or more units of data may not be able to be on the screen at the same time.

For example, if you are entering employee info, and you get to the "dependents" section, you may want to know if the dependents have the same last name as the employee as a quick check of applicability. If the employee name is at the top, then it may have scrolled off the screen by the time you get to the dependents entry. In a more compact design, it's more likely both will be on the screen at the same time.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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Ebay is the pinnacle of broken search and navigation! They should be winning awards, industry accolades, Webbies, the works!

I find eBay search more predictable than amazon. When I use amazon I feel that they show to me what they think I should get instead of what I want.

Ebay removed substring search years ago, and this basically collapsed a whole bunch of industries that were using Ebay as their marketplace. Think hundreds of thousands of similar part numbers. This is why you see pages of part numbers blasted over the listing details.

Ebay's one job is to connect buyers and sellers and they fail miserably at that.

Not even a local minimum, a global minimum. Not a platform, a gated swamp.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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I don't think the root problem is white space. Taking the dictionary example: A good dictionary doesn't display a hundred words per page. Instead, you just need a box to write down the word you search and a few lines to display the results. Plenty of space for the designer to turn white. The problem is somewhere in the process where someone creates an app without having experience with the old system and not understa…

The quote about dictionaries refers to paper dictionaries, does it not?

Well, the paper dictionary is one implementation of a dictionary. Conceptionally, a (language) dictionary is a tool to translate words from one language to another. When you implement it, you have to take into account what you can do to make this tool as useful as possible for your user.

Since traditional paper can't change what is written on it, you are a bit limited and simply write down the database in an ordered way to help the user find what he needs.

On electronic screens the concept can be implemented in a better way, so doing it exactly the same way as on paper would be a bad design.

So discussing a given design without looking back to the concept that should be implemented, will often bring you just to a local, but not to a global optimum.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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I don’t know how they come up with the numbers but I still think that menus and toolbars were much more discoverable and faster to use than the ribbon :)

More importantly for power users, they were much more customizable.

Power users tended to use shortcut keys which are STILL (Office 2016) supported. Want to add an image from a file? Alt, I, P, F and you have a file picker on your screen ready to go.
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