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Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by LamaOfRuin »

masonic wrote: post #395
darkpuma wrote: post #26

So we have a browser with nearly 70% market share, made by an advertising company that's arguably the most powerful business on the internet, interfering with ad blocking. And of course there is no regulatory body that is able or willing to step in. Great.

there is no regulatory body that is able or willing to step in What regulatory bodies have legal standing to step in?

I'd say at least several hundred worldwide (because many of them can simply claim jurisdiction over whatever they want that enters the lives of their citizens). There are probably about a dozen that have the teeth to actually change Google's behaviour if they chose to.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by _ks3e »

dylan604 wrote: post #403
staticassertion wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you're responding to, but no. Until uMatrix actually breaks for me, I'm not switching to Firefox. Switching is a pain, and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX. I'd switch if they did this because I value the extension very highly, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

> and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX Maybe I'm not as critical about the UI, but I have both browsers open at the same time so I took a second to compare them. Both browsers have a row of tabs. Below that is a second row. The left most set of buttons is navigation (back, forward, refresh, etc), then the address bar, then on the very right of the row is a set of buttons for extensions, settings, etc. The remaining porti…

Firefox doesn't deal with touchscreen and touchpad gestures very well. Take, for instance, the two-finger pinch-zoom-in gesture. Chrom(ium), Opera, Edge, Safari etc. all smoothly and instantaneously magnify the area where the mouse is. Firefox, on the other hand, reflows the entire page with each zoom (as the other browsers do when you do a ctrl +/- zoom), which is inconsistent with how we're used to interacting with touchscreen devices, in addition to being quite laggy on a reasonably modern laptop and tending to undershoot or overshoot the desired zoom level. This zoom behavior is also a lot less useful for looking at a particular item on the page, since the reflow-zoom doesn't seem to depend on mouse position on any way (so any element not at the center of the screen will no longer be visible past a certain zoom level, no matter where you put the mouse pointer when zooming in), which makes using it a lot more frustrating on smaller monitors.

The lack of smooth zoom support has been a known deficiency in FF for the last seven years (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789906) and has yet to be addressed.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by taurath »

dylan604 wrote: post #403
staticassertion wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you're responding to, but no. Until uMatrix actually breaks for me, I'm not switching to Firefox. Switching is a pain, and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX. I'd switch if they did this because I value the extension very highly, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

> and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX Maybe I'm not as critical about the UI, but I have both browsers open at the same time so I took a second to compare them. Both browsers have a row of tabs. Below that is a second row. The left most set of buttons is navigation (back, forward, refresh, etc), then the address bar, then on the very right of the row is a set of buttons for extensions, settings, etc. The remaining porti…

On macbooks for me just the act of running firefox makes the CPU go crazy and the fan turn on. Multiple different years.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by LamaOfRuin »

briandear wrote: post #420
darkpuma wrote: post #26

So we have a browser with nearly 70% market share, made by an advertising company that's arguably the most powerful business on the internet, interfering with ad blocking. And of course there is no regulatory body that is able or willing to step in. Great.

Why does a regulatory agency need to be involved? Use Firefox, use Safari, use whatever you want. Nobody forces you or anyone to use Chrome.

Because that's what they're for. They take actions on behalf of society, because direct action by the masses on every single issue is extraordinarily inefficient.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by jbigelow76 »

berbec wrote: post #382
awirth wrote: post #381

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Doesn't Chromium already lower their revenue from other lacks of integration that are included in Chrome?

Next to no one uses Chromium. The integrations usually start in Chrome, leaving Chromium pure, allowing Opera etc to forge their own path. This is a disturbing trend to change the course of the project, likely due to Edge being based on Chromium.

I bet a decent chunk of the MS engineers lobbied to adopt Gecko instead of Chromium when they decided to move away from EdgeHtml. I wonder what the reasoning was for not going that route, it seems like a huge miss and a total acceptance of a browser monoculture.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by askmike »

vSanjo wrote: post #438
dylan604 wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX Maybe I'm not as critical about the UI, but I have both browsers open at the same time so I took a second to compare them. Both browsers have a row of tabs. Below that is a second row. The left most set of buttons is navigation (back, forward, refresh, etc), then the address bar, then on the very right of the row is a set of buttons for extensions, settings, etc. The remaining porti…

Your reply resounded with me a little. I agree with the person you replied to, I don't like the UI/UX. I think it's the 'second level' of UI stuff - menu's behind buttons, settings pages, things like that. I think Chrome does a good job balancing 'advanced user' and 'basic user' stuff. Firefox feels a little too 'dumbed down' for me. I'm honestly trying hard to put a fine point on it, but it a lot of it just feels 'o…

I felt like this as well when I was still using Chrome for everything (I switched when Firefox launched Quantum). For me it simply turned out that after getting used to Firefox (again) I had no problems at all with the UI. Chrome felt better before the switch because I was used to it.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by justinclift »

AYBABTME wrote: post #167
OptionX wrote: post #102

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Trading Google overlords for Apple overlords does not seem like an upgrade.

With Apple, you're the customer, not the product. For one, Apple defends and doesn't sell your data.

> For one, Apple defends ...

It's fairly likely that's just PR. They're a US headquartered place, so would have to comply with NSL's (etc) just like every other US company.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by scarface74 »

notafraudster wrote: post #430
happybuy wrote: post #327

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Many similar concerns were raised when the Safari API changed, in this case some of the specific limitations and concerns re the declarativeNetRequest approach may be valid – if so, I'd hope that the Chromium team take them on board and improve. I think the concern re the 30,000 rule limit is misguided. Many of these adblock rule lists are extremely inefficient and should probably be pruned to have less rules. Extrem…

I personally use an adblocker not only to block ads, but also to block literally everything I don't like. In most websites, this means the social buttons, the comments section, all search functionality, anything in the header or navigation I won't click, related articles, top articles, other recommended articles, footers, links to privacy policies, parts of bylines that I don't care about, header images when I don't…

1Blocker for iOS can block everything you mentioned and doesn’t get access to your browsing activity to do it.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by mdekkers »

drawkbox wrote: post #185
sixothree wrote: post #33

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I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

> I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Chrome used to be very lightweight, fast and basically unseated IE as the top browser. It got that love because at the time Firefox was bloated and IE had a stranglehold. Chrome was also safer with a process per tab. Chrome made web browsing/dev pleasant like Firefox/Firebug did and it really took off being based on Webkit l…

and basically unseated IE as the top browser

And didn't get to this spot on any kind of technical or feature merits, but essentially by relentless nagging on the Google search page to have users install it. Sure, devs/geeks etc were eager early adopters, but the bulk of users were steered this way by Google.

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