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Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by acqq »

zeotroph wrote: post #359
acqq wrote: post #278

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> that is what PgUp/PgDown are for on the keyboard, no? Definitely no: If I have a hand on the mouse I surely don't want to lift it and hunt for the PgUp or PgDown just to move one page up or down. And no, I don't want to go "there" if it's actually "somewhere" in the middle of whatever, if I just want to see the previous or the next page. Going "there" is much less frequent operation than moving to the next or the p…

So, that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing. The thumb button which most mice have and are mapped to forward/backwards could be remapped to that. Or a mouse gesture? FoxyGestures, a Firefox addon, has a "Scroll Down" action.

> The thumb button which most mice have

"Most"? Where did you get that idea? "Most gaming mice" or what? Most of the users aren't gamers.

> that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing.

Of course is missing: "normal" (as in the most common) mice have only 2 buttons and the scroll wheel.

The scroll wheel never moves one page up (or down), but just some small number of lines, so the most common operation is then impossible for the most of the users just because a developer (who probably even "lives" in his terminal for most of the time, never lifting the both hands from the middle of the keyboard) thinks that everybody has exactly the gear that he has.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

molteanu wrote: post #439
Dylan16807 wrote: post #434

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I understood your post until the last line. The new versions of Firefox have almost the same plugin interface as Chromium. If you're satisfied with it, then why aren't you satisfied with it?

I'm now using cVim[0] plugin on Chromium. When I've switched from Firefox a year ago there was no real alternative to keysnail[1]. Backwards compatibility between Firefox releases began to break beginning of 2017. mooz, the developer of keysnail, managed to do some heroics and bring back the usability of the plugin on the never versions. Finally, Firefox 57 put the nail in the coffin and keysnail was declared dead on…

It looks like someone got cVim mostly working on firefox in a day, but never had time/motivation to do a real port.

So while I do miss the old extensions, and disagree strongly with how they went about it, any particular thing that's available only on chrome isn't really because chrome is better. With a little push cVim could support both browsers.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by neurostimulant »

molteanu wrote: post #439
Dylan16807 wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understood your post until the last line. The new versions of Firefox have almost the same plugin interface as Chromium. If you're satisfied with it, then why aren't you satisfied with it?

I'm now using cVim[0] plugin on Chromium. When I've switched from Firefox a year ago there was no real alternative to keysnail[1]. Backwards compatibility between Firefox releases began to break beginning of 2017. mooz, the developer of keysnail, managed to do some heroics and bring back the usability of the plugin on the never versions. Finally, Firefox 57 put the nail in the coffin and keysnail was declared dead on…

Since Firefox has similar extension interface with Chromium, any Chromium extensions should be able to work with Firefox with (relatively) small amount of works. In fact, cVim seem to be mostly works in Firefox according to its author here: https://github.com/1995eaton/chromium-vim/issues/520

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

navinsylvester wrote: post #440
WilliamEdward wrote: post #431

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I want to believe firefox is the best but Chrome's user interface is simply too smooth and clean and firefox has not been able to match that. There are some details that you will only notice if you have used FF and chrome in equal amounts for a long time, such as being able to easily merge two windows in Chrome (in one click vs two), or clumsy bookmarks and search history settings in FF, etc. Also there's a significa…

I have used both extensively but i prefer Firefox for the following reasons: lower resource footprint, privacy reasons, better session recovery - to name serious few and these i believe are much more important reasons that to say the drop-down menu takes a bit of more ms. I have stopped using chrome and now am using Opera as the secondary browser with tightened setting.

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Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ignaloidas wrote: post #436
molteanu wrote: post #428

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I don't want Mozilla to win. They broke backwards compatibility with the new Servo or whatever. That's a bug. You wouldn't say that the new train carriage, which only works on the Bosnian gauge and not on the Standard gauge (EU, US) "makes the experience better and better" even if they have free wi-fi, air-conditioning, plenty of feet space, leather seats, panoramic sunroof etc. You can't even use it, so all the extr…

You know that modifying the gauge for train carriages is really quite easy? Same with browser - it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to.

> it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to.

Apparently support for doing gestures correctly would "break the security model" and the code would be rejected, so I'm going to disagree there.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by erfgh »

owaislone wrote: post #423
kentosi wrote: post #172

Good work guys. For those using Firefox, I have one question. Is there any way to replicate Chrome's tab-to-search feature? It's literally the ONLY reason I'm still on Chrome. Let me explain by showing how I would search for "apples" in youtube across both browsers. Firefox: 1 - Ctrl+L (go to location bar) 2 - Type "you", press "down" to select youtube from history. 3 - Wait for site to load...... 4 - Click on search…

I use DuckDuckGo as my default search engine. Doing this is as simple as: 1 - Ctrl+L (go to location bar) 2 - Type "yt! apples" 3 - There is not step 3.

This needs to go to DDG first, which makes it slow.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

bane wrote: post #386

There's always been a look & feel problem for me with Firefox...something that seemed to be solved right out of the box with Chrome. I've not been able to put my finger on it, but I think this kind of small user-convenience stuff is part of it. It's not "features" per se, but more the feel of how the application works. It reminds me of old platform video games before Super Mario Bros. (and for a while after) Superfic…

I'm amused that you say that specifically about dragging tabs around, because it's magnificently buggy on chrome. Windows popping up and down because they're technically under the drag despite multiple windows in between, big flashes of white, positions where it flickers constantly between states, issues where I hit the limit of the drag and have to do a second drag to get the tab completely in place...

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by kev6168 »

What happened between Firefox 61 and Firefox 63 ? 61 (and the versions before that) occasionally freeze or crashed on my old laptop (win7, 32bit), but just yesterday I installed 63, it runs very fast, feels very stable, has had no problem at all so far.

Just want to say thank you to the developers of Firefox. Thank you for all the hard work to continue to improve a great product.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by bad_user »

WilliamEdward wrote: post #431
madmax108 wrote: post #424

Every new release of Firefox makes the experience better and better. I'm glad Mozilla has started focusing on the browser again, not just as an "open alternative to chrome" but as the "best possible browser", which I truly believe Firefox today is :) Every new release reminds me of this comic: http://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/ As a tweet I read today[1] : "Mozilla seems to be under the assumption that ther…

I want to believe firefox is the best but Chrome's user interface is simply too smooth and clean and firefox has not been able to match that. There are some details that you will only notice if you have used FF and chrome in equal amounts for a long time, such as being able to easily merge two windows in Chrome (in one click vs two), or clumsy bookmarks and search history settings in FF, etc. Also there's a significa…

Firefox has tags for bookmarks, whereas Chrome doesn't. This can help in refining your searches.

Firefox's Awesome Bar (location bar) is superior to Chrome's Omnibar. And this matters too when it comes to bookmarks, which are automatically searched. But when typing in your location bar, you can also limit the searches just to your bookmarks by starting the search with a "*" char. You can also use "^" to limit your searches just to your history.

You don't usually need such refinement, the Awesome Bar simply does a good job by default, but given that it searches in multiple places, sometimes precision helps. See here for this trick: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-search-fire...

Speaking of bookmark management, Firefox also has this neat feature: "Bookmark All Tabs". You specify a folder and it saves all of your opened tabs.

Overall I feel that Firefox has the upperhand on bookmark management. Not sure why you feel it is clumsy.

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I've used Chrome for two years and still use it from time to time, for testing purposes and because I want to see how it evolves.

That said, as a Firefox supporter, I think Firefox is superior for my usage patterns. And about its UI, believe it or not, but it was its UI that made me stick with Firefox. And I'm a Mac OS and an iOS user.

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