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Wikileaks believed at the time that Clinton was ready to send a drone to get rid of Assange. Between due process and a drone attack, I take due process any day.
That's an obviously absurd belief given he's in an embassy. The USA has done a lot of insane shit but that would be a ridiculous line to cross to eliminate a single "criminal."
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Very interesting. Because she was in the room that meant she sent the team to kill Bin Laden? By your logic and the parent poster's logic ~13 people aside from the President and the laptops and coffee cups were also just as responsible for sending the team to kill him.
Are you really questioning the idea that the Secretary of State had a hand in approving a CIA-led assassination mission when there's literally pictures of her watching it go down?
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Citizenship isn't usually relevant to prosecution, unless it's for something like treason. The US prosecutes foreigners for hacking crimes committed outside of the country as well.
This is bad. Because other countries might take the same approach. What if China, Iran or Russia will start prosecuting US citizens for posts on the Internet that are against their laws? Like critisizing Communist Party? I don't see the difference between US prosecuting Assange and China prosecuting those who, being infinitely malignant, publish illegal, misleading information about Communist Party or Tiananmen squar…
They do.
> What if China, Iran or Russia will start prosecuting US citizens for posts on the Internet that are against their laws?
They...do. Well, not necessarily posts on the internet specifically, but...
And, in some cases, not just the “appear before a court with counsel to answer charges with some simulation of due process” way of addressing crimes against their laws. Consider, e.g., the fatwa against the author, editors, and publishers of The Satanic Verses, whose targets were neither Iranian citizens nor operating in Iran.
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Jeez, what's with the Wikipedia links all the time? People drive by, throw a term around, and leave. How am I committing gaslighting? Am I rearranging the furniture in your house while you're away or something?
I should not have said that second part. To break it down, can you please explain to me which war crimes you are referring to, and how they are related to the beginning of this thread?
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Also wapo is pretty much all political propaganda of some sort now. It’s been getting worse by the day since Bezos bought it for some reason.
I'm betting you think Fox news is the epitome of news stations, as well.
Both are very sorry excuses for journalism.
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Russia airing the dirty laundry through a side channel is MUCH more benevolent than the other things (like blackmailing our world leaders) they could do with this. I don't think all of Wikileaks' revelations are from Russia, but even if they all are - and Russia had selfish motivations - it was a benevolent act toward the world. Truth is power, and revealing the truth to the powerless is never an evil act.
So you'd have no problem with your neighbor hacking and dumping your entire inbox online for the whole world to see?
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Also wapo is pretty much all political propaganda of some sort now. It’s been getting worse by the day since Bezos bought it for some reason.
Nonsense. The Washington Post remains one of the best publications in the US. I certainly trust it more than Russian propaganda outlets such as Wikileaks.
[clears throat] USA killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians and is now jailing the whistleblowers [cough]
Americans (and I sadly speak for all 300mm+ of us) no longer give a flying fuck about illegal wars or mass murder. There is no peace movement, there won’t be ever again. Citizens will ignore the wars and entertain them selves by rage posting about either the red or blue team
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The problem with posting "proof" here is that it's always unclear where to start. Do you accept that Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian agent? If not, then it's going to be a long post. If you do, then Guccifer 2.0 himself claimed he gave the leaks to Wikileaks[1]. Wikileaks tweeted the same information[2]. Which part is in question here exactly? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0#cite_note-:5-7 [2] https://twitt…
(To preempt: I'm not complaining, I have lots of imaginary HN points) The voting on this is amazing. It's gone from +3 to -2 to 0 and back up and down a few times in just a couple of hours. It'd be really, really interesting to see the patterns of what else voters are voting for. I don't think this comment is particularly controversial (it's a direct response, doesn't attempt to interprete the evidence, made it clear…
[clears throat] USA killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians and is now jailing the whistleblowers [cough]
Americans (and I sadly speak for all 300mm+ of us) no longer give a flying fuck about illegal wars or mass murder. There is no peace movement, there won’t be ever again. Citizens will ignore the wars and entertain them selves by rage posting about either the red or blue team
There's no draft, nobody feels any personal danger so they don't care - the peace movement of the 1960s was a direct result of young white men fearing the draft, deciding that made them an oppressed group, and looking to the recently successful black civil rights battles as inspiration to start marching and occupying places.
Now, they just fear brown people in their neighborhoods, bombings by people who dress funny and write in squiggles, and international pedophile rings - things that, if anything, threaten them even less than wars they will never see. Some of them fear that wars and mass imprisonment will end, because they're employed in the industries that supply those things.