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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by merb »

throwawayjava wrote: post #406
IdiocyInAction wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why whould Google not just delist problematic sites like they did in Germany, as they tried to implement something similar there AFAIK?

The last time I read about these regulations, it sounded like they would explicitly forbid this sort of arrangement between publishers and aggregators (i.e., news sites aren't allowed to agree to those terms). I don't have time to check right now, but that may be the case.

> it sounded like they would explicitly forbid this sort of arrangement between publishers and aggregators

and than, should they force google to pay instead of cutting these publishers off? in no way would that be legal. you can't force somebody to pay something, by forcing them to obey.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Gaelan wrote: post #375
megous wrote: post #246

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Compare that to my country, where it's perfectly legal to download whatever music or movies you like from the internet for personal use, pirate websites or not. Also a western democracy. So it's not so bad everywhere. Though a price for this is that we pay a special tax on every storage device we purchase.

If you don’t mind, where is this?

It's like this in Poland for sure. You can't share, but can download. Doesn't apply to software of course due to its different licensing schema.

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Post by kgwgk »

isthatart wrote: post #438
kgwgk wrote: post #351

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If something was a copyright violation yesterday, it will still be a copyright violation tomorrow. And vice versa. If you fear that arXiv will implement filters that will recognize that what you are uploading is a translation of an obscure Prussian research paper and block the upload, I don't think that's going to happen. (But I will be really impressed if it happens!)

But what if it is not a copyright violation but it looks like one to some dumb filter? For say 0.5 million articles from arXiv?

Then the dumb filter (if one is put in place at all) will be tuned to be less dumb, I guess.

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Post by nordsieck »

dominotw wrote: post #439
nordsieck wrote: post #365

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> Yeah, but wouldn't cutting 500 million of the wealthiest customers from your solution have a pretty significant business impact? It seems likely that large internet businesses will probably pay to comply with GDPR. Many small businesses, whose customers are often mostly regional anyhow, may decide that it's just not worth the cost of compliance.

> may decide that it's just not worth the cost of compliance. You cannot not comply with it though.

> You cannot not comply with it though.

Why is that? One of the big reasons people and companies comply with the law is that they don't want to suffer the consequences of non-compliance.

If a company has no assets, customers or business relationships in Europe, what is a GDPR judgement against them going to do?

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Post by logifail »

dnate wrote: post #228
village-idiot wrote: post #84

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I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them .

The issue is that we as a society need diverse and independent newspapers.

Why stop at newspapers? How about diverse and independent provision of pretty much everything?

People don't appear to want this, of course. Pity.

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Post by jasonkostempski »

kowdermeister wrote: post #372
zmmmmm wrote: post #235

This is such a great outcome for Google, they could not have gotten such a good outcome if they had bribed the legislators directly. They've essentially enshrined the infrastructure Google has already as a legal requirement for the bare minimum threshold to host a web site now. Google can sit back and stop worrying about there ever being competition from Europe now.

+1, they already comply, but if I were to launch something with UGC, I should probably host it in Afghanistan and back it by a company registered on the Moon. > Google can sit back and stop worrying Name one company from EU who have a slight potential to be a minor threat for (YouTube / Search)

Does it matter if that company is from EU? Even a new engine centralized in the US won't be able to operate in the EU without substantial cost. That's a pretty big market/data source to miss out on.

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Post by Eridrus »

simias wrote: post #426
sputr wrote: post #419

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We've been asking the proponents that for months. Google got a free license in Germany while Yahoo did not. Even if they ban the free license (which is a whole nother set of even bigger problems) Google can just not list them at all. It's not like they care about Google News all that much.

I agree that this is probably going to backfire spectacularly but if we give the proponents the benefit of the doubt it could be argued that while the big G might not care about Google News, users may. If these news aggregator shutdown they will look for alternatives which might create an opportunity for people to develop news aggregator that share the revenue more fairly with the newspapers. I doubt this is going to…

Has this happened in Spain? They've already done this experiment on a smaller scale.

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Post by [deleted] »

baxtr wrote: post #85

The whole thing really makes me furious beyond words. I shouldn't be that aggravated, but unfortunately I am. I feel like this is really the opposite of progressive and will leave the EU even further behind the US and China. Meanwhile, people who don't understand how the internet works are deliberately breaking it to save their out-dated business models instead of embracing the new.

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