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Re: The Bullshit Web

#441
I'm going to have to disagree on the hostility to AMP.

Specifically with this paragraph:

> It seems ridiculous to argue that AMP pages aren’t actually faster than their plain HTML counterparts because it’s so easy to see these pages are actually very fast. And there’s a good reason for that. It isn’t that there’s some sort of special sauce that is being done with the AMP format, or some brilliant piece of programmatic rearchitecting. No, it’s just because AMP restricts the kinds of elements that can be used on a page and severely limits the scripts that can be used. That means that webpages can’t be littered with arbitrary and numerous tracking and advertiser scripts, and that, of course, leads to a dramatically faster page.

> ...[supporting evidence]

> So: if you have a reasonably fast host and don’t litter your page with scripts, you, too, can have AMP-like results without creating a copy of your site dependent on Google and their slow crawl to gain control over the infrastructure of the web. But you can’t get into Google’s special promoted slots for AMP websites for reasons that are almost certainly driven by self-interest.

The point of AMP is exactly this restricted spec - it's so Google can statically verify that your site follows their performance guidelines. You can write a really fast website if you want, but unless you're willing to let Google make sure that you're actually doing so they're not going to take it on faith.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#442
I see no one mentioned the extraordinary "Reader mode" of Firefox. [0]

It's literaly the one feature for which I stopped using Chrome at work. It's just so damn good.

For instance, [1] becomes [2]

[0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clu...

[1] https://radiobruxelleslibera.com/2018/06/26/intermediated-of...

[2] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/smexxUICwLXKbzEEbLlIPQ_qGc... (that's a screenshot on photos.google.com - don't have access to imgur or similar)

Re: The Bullshit Web

#443
The main problem is and remains: money.

Professional newswebsites or alike don't work for free.

But the majority of people is not willing to pay.

So ads and tracking and more ads and more ads. As this is the default buisness for "free" services. You pay with your data and attention, nothing new.

I would like this to change to the way Wikipedia works for example. No ads. Voluntarily payment. No paywall, free for everyone, even though only some people pay.

But micropayment services are not good enough, nor widespread and the average mindset is not there either.

But it could go there slowly, once people realize the true cost of all those "free" sercices and that paywalls are not nice either.

And besides, even though I agree to the sentiment of the aeticle, the comparison of plain text to an styled article with pictures ... is not really valid. I like sometimes reading plain text, but I enjoy a well done website more. With nice fonts, styles and pictures fitting to the flow of information and not as a distraction. I just don't like advertisement in general, nor ads using my cpu to analyse me.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#444
Webfonts need to die. I'm sick of loading a page, seeing the text for a moment, then it vanishes and I'm forced to wait, possibly for multiple seconds to see the text again in some pretty font the authors thought I cared about.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have given this discussion a good looking over to see if anyone cares for the environment. Glad to find someone that does. I believe that care for the environment and design that puts being green first is going to have its time in web design. I also believe that along with document structure, accessibility and 'don't make me think' UX that eco-friendliness is going to become a core design principle in a lot of the…

I think the car analogy is flawed; yes, mid-century US cars were not very economical/efficient, but they sacrificed that for comfort --- big roomy interiors, cushy seats, soft suspensions, automatic transmissions, A/C, etc. The automakers were simply obliging to please customers with these features. There's a reason "econobox" is mostly a pejorative. On the other hand, bloated slow websites only serve the needs of th…

> On the other hand, bloated slow websites only serve the needs of their authors, while annoying all their users. Users aren't asking for more tracking, ads, or any of that other bullshit.

The bloat actually serves a lot of people, directly or indirectly. It is like packaging, everyone complains about packaging and plastic but when you are in the supermarket do you take that box that is already opened or that tin with the dent?

There are lots of stakeholders behind the bloat. Including the bullshit jobs people of the online world, e.g. the SEO people, the people in marketing and the programmers. In my opinion the cookie-cutter way of churning out websites is being done by a lot of people that are barking up the wrong tree on how to do it with knowledge of modern web technologies rarely gained. Buried in what you see is a bundle of reset scripts, IE6 polyfills and other stuff that nobody dares to touch as it has been there since 2009 and nobody knows what it does, within the company that wrote the CMS or in the agency that adds the 'theme'. It is worrying really with the best people can do is to add layers of ever more complex 'build' tools to mash this cruft into something they don't have to think about.

P.S. There is no way I would be in an econobox if travelling through the American West, give me one of your trucks, SUVs or even a sedan any day. In Europe though, tables are turned, a country lane or a city stranded in a U.S. vehicle would be a special kind of hell.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#447

I'm going to have to disagree on the hostility to AMP. Specifically with this paragraph: > It seems ridiculous to argue that AMP pages aren’t actually faster than their plain HTML counterparts because it’s so easy to see these pages are actually very fast. And there’s a good reason for that. It isn’t that there’s some sort of special sauce that is being done with the AMP format, or some brilliant piece of programmati…

But Google can measure a page weight and load time when it's indexing it and use it in its pagerank calculation, it doesn't need to take control of your page to do it.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this rant, you should go the next step: All you need to 'fix' this is a fast loading news website that gets enough paid subscribers to earn enough margin from subscriptions that you can pay for a news staff, an office, and various overheads. That is a longish way of saying that 99.9% of the overhead in any modern web site can be traced almost entirely to the mechanisms by which that web site is attempting to e…

Hilariously, the New York times tries both: you get five or so article reads (with shitloads of tracking), and then you have to pay to read more per month. But if you're paying, the pages don't load any different. You're paying to be mined.

In paper newspapers this is the norm. You can read the front page for free, have to pay to get the rest, and the rest is still filled with ads.

The difference is the tracking. I don’t think ads are really the problem. It’s the tracking that bloats pages and intrudes on privacy, and the tracking doesn’t need to be there because other media have ads without tracking and manage just fine.

There’s a race to the bottom here. Tracking earns more revenue, so to be competitive you have to do it. Most sites won’t stop tracking until forced to by either the basic infrastructure of the web or legal requirements. I hope GDPR will lead to the disappearance of tracking, but so far most sites seem to pretend tracking is compatible with GDPR.

Re: The Bullshit Web

#449
post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh they could email me articles plaintext and I'd happily hand over my money.

It would be trivial to write a script to scrape text.npr.org and send it to you. Or you can just visit it, I suppose.

Firefox and Safari each have a 'Reader Mode' which does exactly what you want: presenting a web-page in the absence of any web design.

It's really the ultimate condemnation of modern web design that this feature is so useful.

Edit: won't help the data-consumption though, as I believe it can only be enabled after the page has loaded

Re: The Bullshit Web

#450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in theory. However, I haven't noticed the slowness in their website and the ads are well done and blend in with the webpage. They may have to redesign/rearchitect their whole website to get what you are asking for. It should be noted that traditional newspapers include ads alongside news content and no one complains. In fact people used to sift through the Sunday NYT simply for the ads.

Tbh they could email me articles plaintext and I'd happily hand over my money.

Reader Mode, my friend.
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