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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by wilun »

phire wrote: post #265

Does anyone remember Intel's random rant about how "emulation of x86 violates our intellectual property" from last year? https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/x86-approaching-40-sti... Intel didn't name names, and everyone at the time assumed it was related to Microsoft and their efforts to ship windows 10 on ARM with a 32 bit only x86 emulator. But I wonder if that rant was actually aimed at Apple. Microsoft's emula…

The timing and the wording makes it so I'm quasi sure this was MS & Qualcomm related, and not Apple related. For example it says "there have been reports that some companies may try to emulate Intel’s proprietary x86 ISA without Intel’s authorization"

Also the level of secretivity at Apple is soo high that I'm not even sure anybody outside there knew about any concrete subject this summer. And would they somehow know, why would them try to dissuade them publicly at this point? That does not work like that at this level.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by fastball »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What exactly does your development workflow look like where Linux was so much better than MacOS?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by mehrdadn »

electricslpnsld wrote: post #439
davidy123 wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't easily share media between the Apple ecosystem and others. You can't access some Apple services at all from Linux. There's no way to run userscripts/WebExtensions on IOS. Your device is no longer a user-focused tool to access media, your browser is closer to being a "smart tv" than a customize-able information explorer and augmenter essentially controlled by no one. You're giving up an awful lot for the sak…

> I also don't get what's missing from a modern Linux desktop Adobe software, for one.

I have also yet to find an IDE as nice as Visual Studio...

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Myrmornis »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What apple software do you need to use? Sure, it's annoying not having the GNU command-line utilities. But `brew install coreutils` basically fixes that for me. I admit I don't work heavily with compiled languages on macOS so I can't comment on technical aspects of that. iTerm2 is not inferior to linux terminal emulators. The Apple laptops are quite obviously the best hardware experience out there. I mean obviously iTunes is a complete insult to humanity, and I've no fucking clue how to use Finder etc, but does that matter really?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by sneak »

davidy123 wrote: post #437
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

You can't easily share media between the Apple ecosystem and others. You can't access some Apple services at all from Linux. There's no way to run userscripts/WebExtensions on IOS. Your device is no longer a user-focused tool to access media, your browser is closer to being a "smart tv" than a customize-able information explorer and augmenter essentially controlled by no one. You're giving up an awful lot for the sak…

- decent video calling

- imessage (signal is getting warmer, but the integration is still lacking)

- adobe creative suite

- video editing

- audio production apps

- photo management and post processing (darktable is still garbage)

- sleep/wake and connecting/disconnecting external displays

- not-ugly fonts

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by garmaine »

fastball wrote: post #443
sreque wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What exactly does your development workflow look like where Linux was so much better than MacOS?

What was the workflow in which windows was better than anything UNIX based....

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by sneak »

Someone wrote: post #401
djrogers wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Close, but Apple already produces it's own WiFi/BT chipsets (the S1/S2 etc SOCs in Apple watches for example, and the W1 chipset in AirPods and new Beats headphones), and is rumored to be working on an LTE/GSM chipset. I think Apple is intensely interested in controlling the entire stack.

Produces ? Are you sure you don’t mean designs ?

Apple is as yet fabless, correct. By choice, clearly, as they have enough cash on hand to build and operate more than anyone else on the planet if they wished.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by lev99 »

Lramseyer wrote: post #412
apetrovic wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's two problems with that story: first, the famous switch from PowerPC to Intel happened when the desktop was the king, and app developers had strong incentive to recompile programs to the new platform. Right now? Not so much. Second, while Apple's mobile processors are currently the best in ARM world, for "pro" desktop computers Apple needs desktop-grade processor. Making something comparable to i7 isn't such a…

> Second, while Apple's mobile processors are currently the best in ARM world, for "pro" desktop computers Apple needs desktop-grade processor. Making something comparable to i7 isn't such an easy and cheap job. Qualcomm, NVIDIA, and Cavium have created very powerful ARM chips for non-mobile application. Apple definitely has the chip architects, the money, and the experience to do such a thing.

I have serious doubts that the marketplace can support 3 desktop/laptop workstation CPU manufacturers.

(Amd, Intel, and now Apple)

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