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Chrome is Not the Standard

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Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by jzylstra »

pjmlp wrote: post #367
simonh wrote: post #360

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>No other platform has policies like this MS has a similar restriction on their App Store. Browsers are only allowed to use the MS rendering engine. Also plenty of feature phones only allow use of the integrated browser. You might think that’s an unrelated issue, but it’s not. From a regulatory perspective, how do you differentiate between those, feature phones that allow a limited range of installable apps, games co…

Just like Google has on ChromeOS. What do I change the browser being managed by ChromeOS?

On a Chromebook, open the play store and download an alternative browser. It is that easy. Or sideload an apk if you've decided to opt-out of the play store.

When it comes to an alternative engine, Firefox on Android is Gecko-based rather than being based on Chromium. You can install this on a Chromebook. If you need any more help understanding, please let me know.

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Post by simonh »

wor3q wrote: post #422
simonh wrote: post #360

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>No other platform has policies like this MS has a similar restriction on their App Store. Browsers are only allowed to use the MS rendering engine. Also plenty of feature phones only allow use of the integrated browser. You might think that’s an unrelated issue, but it’s not. From a regulatory perspective, how do you differentiate between those, feature phones that allow a limited range of installable apps, games co…

All other platforms allow you to install apps from outside of the store though.

But they don’t all allow you to install apps that have not been approved by the vendor and comply with vendor policies, which is what is actually relevant

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by hungerstrike »

pcwalton wrote: post #430
hungerstrike wrote: post #428

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Yes. Anything that comes out of Mozilla is rubbish.

Well, thanks for your opinion on my work!

I knew that I was arguing with a bunch of Mozilla fanatics in this thread.

Thanks for confirming your bias.

That's the exact crowd responsible for pushing stories like these.

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Post by wor3q »

simonh wrote: post #442
wor3q wrote: post #422

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All other platforms allow you to install apps from outside of the store though.

But they don’t all allow you to install apps that have not been approved by the vendor and comply with vendor policies, which is what is actually relevant

You can install any windows installer, or any deb file, or any apk, you want, without OS checking anything. Only iOS does not allow you to install apps not approved by vendor

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by wor3q »

pjmlp wrote: post #423
wor3q wrote: post #420

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You can always install other os along with other browser on a chromebook. You can install whatever engine you want on android. With ios you cannot do anything, you're just stuck with safari.

Installing other OS is by definition not ChromeOS anymore.

Replacing chrome in chromeOS would make it not chromeOS too. But you can use chromium instead of chrome if you want, and nothing stops you from developing same OS with different browser and installing it on Chromebook. With iOS it is safari and no way to go around it.

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Post by NightlyDev »

tpush wrote: post #214
NightlyDev wrote: post #169

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well" Well, clearly this person doesn't have much experience with web development... The webengine in iOS is the biggest pile of crap I've ever worked with since IE6. "Oh? You want to click this? OK, let's wait for 300 ms just in case you want to double tap to scroll!" "We finally fixed it, no more delay on cl…

Given this it's really a shame that Apple does not allow other browser engines on iOS. Would be a prime opportunity for competition to raise the overall quality level.

To be honest, I'm starting to think that Apple is doing this on purpose to earn more money.

They are forcing many developers to create native apps instead by locking down iOS and not allowing any decent web engines. Why? Then all payments would have to go through Apple so they can take a cut. Developers must also purchase hardware from Apple to create and test it.

Apple is a real asshole! "We have users, and if you want to make an app for our users then you have to purchase a MacBook, an iPhone, license to publish and allow us to take x% of all income."

And those who does this helps apple sell more hardware and make the problem bigger.

Sure, this might not be the reason even though it adds a lot of income to Apple.

The only other possible reason is that the people working on the web engine for iOS are useless people compared to all other teams working on browsers.

Long ago we had messages to those who used IE6. What we need now are messages that tell people to throw their iPhone in the thrash, cause it's not like they can use a proper browser...

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by NightlyDev »

alwillis wrote: post #374
tpush wrote: post #214

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Given this it's really a shame that Apple does not allow other browser engines on iOS. Would be a prime opportunity for competition to raise the overall quality level.

Given this it's really a shame that Apple does not allow other browser engines on iOS. Would be a prime opportunity for competition to raise the overall quality level. WebKit is a core part of iOS; lots of APIs use it for lots of things. You just can't swap it out for something else without breaking things. Lets not forget the security and power usage issues as well; the last thing iPhone users would want is a render…

You don't have to remove the buggy web engine. The problem is that Apple doesn't allow anyone to create another web engine for iOS. Apple locks users to a really bad browser with no possibility for users to change it.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by laumars »

jhbadger wrote: post #400
gaius wrote: post #384

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doesn't know or remember the dark of days of IE 5 and IE 6. I remember that when IE6 was first released it was the fastest, most reliable, most standards compliant and feature rich browser. That's why it took over the corporate world. It was the Chrome of its day, if you will. How did that work out?

The main issue with IE6 was that it was Windows only, making life miserable for those not using Windows. Chrome is on Linux and OSX as well. So there isn't really the "I can't access this site because I don't use Windows" problem that was a real problem then. Even if your favorite browser is Firefox, Edge, or Safari, you can still have Chrome on your system for Chrome-only sites.

I was with you right up until the last sentence. However there are a few - though admittedly niche - platforms that Firefox has been ported to but which Chromium has not.
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