Google's public code of conduct: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html
At the bottom: "Last updated August 7, 2017" Wonder what changed today?
Not that much:
Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
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#442This feels like the blue and black (white and gold) dress. It boggles my mind that people don't see the fundamental and toxic misogyny in this 'manifesto'. Please have a woman you care about in your life, preferably one in tech, read this and then ask their opinion of the piece. The "treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group" sentiment of the author is fine except that we have hundreds of…
"The "treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group" sentiment of the author is fine except that we have hundreds of years of doing just this in order to oppress and disenfranchise groups of people."
Just the opposite as far as I can tell. Every great evil in history came from grouping people and punishing based on collective guilt (whether the guilt was real or imagined). This includes the crimes of the left and the right.
How is it even logically possible to disenfranchise a group of people by ignoring their group characteristics?
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#4431) why is it a moral imperative to have 50/50 gender balance in a company? 2) why is it wrong to have a non-diverse company?
Here's the minority's perspective:
1) Why is it required that there can be no more than 20% women in a tech company?
2) Why is it required to have a minimally diverse company?
If you look at these two questions and just say "hah! that's not the same thing at all!", then that's why.
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#444> he had been fired for "perpetuating gender stereotypes." Of course, because a policy of positive discrimination for minorities is not perpetuating any stereotype... Equality doesn't mean equity. Equality is not fair. P.S. downvote whatever you want, it is called discrimination for a reason (even if it says positive before)
If things keep going this way (esp. in California) someday saying that only women can get pregnant is gonna count as "perpetuating gender stereotypes".
I believe that by definition women are the ones who get pregnant
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#445The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…
It's not about virtue signaling, he was almost certain to be terminated just because it was a ridiculously stupid thing to say - you can't tell your teammates that they were hired because their employer lowered the bar and expect people not to be upset about it (and that's 100% what he did, he also made up pseudo-scientific bullshit to try to justify it, but he flat out insulted countless people within his company).…
It is no measure of health to be adjusted to a profoundly sick society... but of course, you'll read that quote then give yourself a pat on the back, sadly.
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#446The best explanation of why he was going to be fired and why that was the right thing to do (that I read) came from Yonatan Zunger, who had recently left a Human Resources position at Google; especially his third point, in the following post on Medium: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man... In many way, it was not an unfamiliar sort of rant for the internet, and I was struck by the author's e…
>You have probably heard about the manifesto a Googler (not someone senior) published internally about, essentially, how women and men are intrinsically different and we should stop trying to make it possible for women to be engineers, it’s just not worth it.
I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Totally not what the memo was saying.
Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
#447The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…
Where does this phrase "virtue signaling" come from, all of a sudden I see it everywhere. Is there some popular media figure that has introduced it?
I've seen it a lot coming from the right-wing fringe. I'd imagine it's a Breitbart/Limbaugh/Hannity thing.
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#448The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…
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#449A hiring process is by nature a discriminatory event. Right? You have a pile of resumes and you discriminate between the candidates during the selection process. This happens on a number of different criteria. The criteria that we should not discriminate on are sex and race. Anyone that doesn't agree with this is out of the mainstream. The issue is that if you cannot discriminate on sex and race, and 90% (made up num…
what happens if among 100 applicants, 80% are male, 20% female? Within each bucket, top 25% are qualified; hence 20 male, and 5 female. But you only have room for 10 positions, 5 for male, 5 for female to reflect customer population For male, you end up hiring top 5% whereas for female, it's top 25%. What's an equitable way to address this?
Expand the pool of applicants until selecting the top 5% produces a male/female balance closer to that of the general population. Smaller companies don't necessarily have the ability to do this, but Google has the resources to do it.
Expanding the applicant pool will never reduce fairness, and it gives you more opportunities to hire the best of the best, assuming your hiring pipeline can actually select them.
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#450https://xkcd.com/1357/
The legal right to free speech is indeed only about the government. Free and open discourse as a virtue for citizens of a republic is a much broader concept.
And even the founding philosophers of the freedom of speech concept said there were limits to the concept - i.e. JSM said that there is a harm principle, where if the expression causes harm then the liberty to express it should rightfully and forcefully be admonished.