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Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

#441
Charge users a cent per tweet or some other amount.

I hate doing this but maybe they need to consider a "freemium" model where you get basic tweets at a certain rate limit for free but to do things like post long videos or images directly in the tweet you can pay to do that.

Consider charging for different types of searches a user can do.

Offer researchers and people using Tweets as a dataset for sentiment or other analysis a fee for real-time and direct access to data.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

#442

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> Politics is truly separate from threatening to kill/rape people, why are you grouping them? Because it's not. The actions of actively authoritarian/alt-right political actors on Twitter are inextricably tied to the movement itself. Milo Yiannopoulos was not banned for the content of what he said. He was banned for saying things he knew would rile up his base of threatening, assaultive troglodytes into attacking som…

> Twitter need not be an accessory to that. There is no great loss, either moral or financial, to the slow leakage of anime avatars and Twitter eggs. Many people would say that exact thing if Twitter decided to censor content that was about gay marriage, etc. You are giving Twitter an easy out. Just censor everything that doesn't go over well in the suburban zipcode that best mirrors the target audience of Coca Cola.

If that would make them more money, I expect they would do that. It's obvious from even a cursory look at Twitter's demographics that it wouldn't make them more money and would make them look bad and hurt their bottom line. Much like the alt-right racist contingent makes them look bad and hurts their bottom line.

That would be why I am making a clear distinction between "moral" and "financial". The alt-right is immoral and financially negative. The people you so concernedly cite are neither.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

#443

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>Let people pay $1/month to raise their limit to 280 characters per message. The format is the entire point of twitter. It forces the condensation of thought. Increasing the limit would fundamentally change the service.

People already hack around this by posting images of text, or using several tweets (usually annotated with "1/" "2/" etc, or merely by replying to their own tweets). The images hurt accessibility, and the streams make it harder to share the discussion (which is partly the purpose of being a social app to begin with).

But doing it has friction, both for the writer and for the readers. If you remove the friction, you get more of it.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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>Let people pay $1/month to raise their limit to 280 characters per message. The format is the entire point of twitter. It forces the condensation of thought. Increasing the limit would fundamentally change the service.

The very first Twitter clone I remember came up with the killer feature - infinitely long Tweets. How many times did I hear this dumb idea? It is not a sandwich, longer does not mean better! The scarce resource is not the number of electrons you send, the scarce resource is the attention of the reader.

Why is exactly 140 still the right length? Why not 145, or 73, or 280? Answer cannot contain words "always", "traditional", or "nostalgia".

There's a large distance between 140 and infinitely long.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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>Let people pay $1/month to raise their limit to 280 characters per message. The format is the entire point of twitter. It forces the condensation of thought. Increasing the limit would fundamentally change the service.

Well, the original reason for the 140 character limit was because you could get tweets via SMS, which at the time had a character limit.

Via a single SMS message.

The size of SMS messages is still fixed at 160 characters, but now they can be transparently chained to send longer texts. This is quite unlike IP protocols which have much larger maximum packet sizes.

Whether Twitter should ever have taken a cue from SMS is moot: apparently the Twitter creators were inspired by the way police and emergency services use radio, so terseness was an aesthetic choice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenated_SMS

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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I've never seen their HQ, much less their lunches, but is that really a thing? And aren't they in the Tenderloin in SF? Wouldn't they normally be donating their excess food to shelters / the homeless / the poor? I don't disagree with your points, it just strikes me as weird that the lunch menu would be such an issue.

> And aren't they in the Tenderloin in SF? Nope, they're on Market St: https://about.twitter.com/company

Right across Civic Center, which overlaps and is not very different from the Tenderloin.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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post #443

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People already hack around this by posting images of text, or using several tweets (usually annotated with "1/" "2/" etc, or merely by replying to their own tweets). The images hurt accessibility, and the streams make it harder to share the discussion (which is partly the purpose of being a social app to begin with).

But doing it has friction, both for the writer and for the readers. If you remove the friction, you get more of it.

This feels like maybe a [citation required] thing. Facebook doesn't have any particular length limit on posts, and anecdotally vast screeds are quite rare on my feed, and most posts are pretty terse regardless.

Is there data to suggest that people will just rant all the time if they're permitted to?

[edit] Anecdotally, my current top 20 posts in my FB feed: 17 under 140 chars, 3 greater than 140 chars.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

#448
Admit that it's a (better) chatroom and tailor it to that use case. It's not a new thing. Go super-aggressively after abuse, bots, etc. even if it hurts your bottom line short term, it will help it long term. Don't make statements about addressing abuse, just do it. It will be noticed. Stop focusing on growth, focus on quality of users. Make a tier of "verified" accounts that anyone can get -- subscription is fine. They verify their real contact info with you, they get a verified badge. Make eggs not able to dm or mention for two weeks. Let me right-click to save animated gifs. Allow "extended" tweets that start with 140 characters but you can click through to more, for when it's time for some game theory. Shadowban the potus.

Re: Ask HN: How would you turn Twitter around?

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> To conflate speech with privilege is absurd. We are all equally empowered and equally vulnerable in a free speech society. No, we're not. As a straight white guy, I can say "video games suck because X, Y, and Z" and people might call it stupid or call me a "cuck", but that's about it. A woman who say "video games are generally cool but have some problematic tendencies like X, Y, and Z" gets death and rape threats a…

> does not happen to straight white men There are many aspects of how society treats men and women differently that are abhorrent to me. One of the most abhorrent is how a girl who struggles in math is more likely to be encouraged to focus on other subjects, while a boy in the same situation is more likely to be encouraged to achieve mastery. We (as a society) can do so much better... but censoring ideas is not he so…

Refusing to associate with people is not "censorship" of ideas or anything else. Damaging, abusive people can be kicked out of one's place of business and it ain't a problem.

I will not cede the ground of basic language to protofascists and you shouldn't either.

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