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Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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A compelling product. The dashboard looks great. They even replaced the confusing term "user data" with "launch script", but they fall back into it later. SSH in-browser is great too and can be bookmarked/opened in a fullscreen tab. Uploading (instead of pasting) your SSH pubkey is a bit annoying. The docs appear to say you can add these to a VPC but I don't see how to do it. They don't say the SSD storage is local,…

Thank you for the information, most informative reply in this thread

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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The correct answer, as always, is to ask the customer. Let's take a simplistic example and say you're paying per gigabyte. You decide you're willing to pay up to $X, and Amazon tells you ahead of time how much your $X will buy you, and you accept. One type of customer will be using that storage to store priceless customer photos. Even if the customer ends up deleting the photos, it has to be your customer who makes t…

And the "correct answer" sometimes leads you to realising "Hang on, I just asked the wrong question to the wrong people". So lets for a moment assume you talked to a large cohort of customers, and found a bunch of "types" including those three you list and many many more (inevitably, at AWS's scale). You then need to make some business decisions about which of those "types" are most important to you, and which are wa…

"and it's _clearly_ not a high priority for Amazon to complete for the pennies a month available in the race-to-the-bottom webhosting that people like GoDaddy sell for $12/year."

Except that that's what this announcement is.

Which makes me think this may be AZON's fix to runaway billing - if you don't have the resources to pay for mistakes[1], stay in the per-month kiddie pool and don't play with the heavy machinery.

[1] I started to add, "or trust yourself not to make them", but that's silly, because mistakes will happen.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I'm in Australia so I either pay a premium (100x) for an Australian VPS, or deal with 150 (US) to 400ms (EU) latency. I'm "locked out" of Hetzner et al due to that - and yes, I know there's nothing you can do about the speed of light. I just wish Australian/New Zealand/Singaporean/Hong Kong offerings were more competitive (all of those are <200ms)

Digital ocean have servers in Singapore for the same price as all their other ones. The latency from Perth is about 40ms from memory.

167ms from Canberra, on the NBN. Terrible routing though - I wonder what it would have been pre-TPG takeover, though.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I'm amused by the model they have in their banner: a bearded, tattooed man wearing what appears to be a .. cape? We've come a long way since the stock photos of 'smiling super-normal people wearing ties, huddled around a computer'.

Capes are company policy after yesterdays jumper. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/amazon-wo...

Wow you're dark!

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I'm in Australia so I either pay a premium (100x) for an Australian VPS, or deal with 150 (US) to 400ms (EU) latency. I'm "locked out" of Hetzner et al due to that - and yes, I know there's nothing you can do about the speed of light. I just wish Australian/New Zealand/Singaporean/Hong Kong offerings were more competitive (all of those are <200ms)

Have you checked out vultr? I host my VPS there with no issues and extremely good ping.

Other comments regarding Vultr's billing in this thread have put me off it completely.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Why are a full half of the front-page stories about Amazon?

AWS re:Invent is currently happening, they're announcing all of these products right now (and they are summarily posted to HN)

Thanks! It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many duplicates :)

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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It's difficult to come up with a good model for how a billing ceiling would work in software as a service. A good start would be to fully specify what behavior you desire when an account hits its billing limit. Are you expecting everything to keep working like normal while the cloud provider pays the bill for those resources, or are you expecting the provider to fully shut everything down in a way that prevents the a…

It seems like a hard technical problem to shut down gracefully. But it's an easy product problem. Just suspend the account. AWS must do this already for some cases. No one running a real business on AWS wants a hard ceiling instead of billing alerts and service by service throttling. Which Amazon has. So, this is just the nuclear option for people's pet projects. It's not a bad thing to have but I wouldn't expect it…

> No one running a real business on AWS wants a hard ceiling instead of billing alerts and service by service throttling

That's absurd. Of course there are businesses that want hard ceilings. Perhaps not on their production website[1], but on clusters handed over to engineers and whatnot for projects, experimentation, etc.? I've seen these things lay around for months before they were noticed.

[1] Maybe you don't consider startups 'real' enough, but I can totally imagine early stage startups wanting limits on their prod website, too. You can't save CPU cycles for later consumption.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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This. I got excited about this until I came to HN and started reading the comments. I _have_ to have a cap. I don't want to do something stupid that puts me on the hook for $$$.

So who are you using then? I don't see anyone that has a cap. Everyone charges you if you go over your allotted bandwidth.

Not sure if this is still the case. Digital ocean had a pricing structure for bandwidth, but was not charging for that used bandwidth because they did not have a way to show how much bandwidth has been used in a billing cycle. Best to ask them if this is still the case.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Is there anything preventing me from using these servers as proxies with incredibly cheap bandwidth? I assume it stacks? When we reach transfer limits I can just spin up an additional $5 instance to add another 1TB? $5/mo per 1TB of bandwidth = $5.00 / 1024 = $0.0049/GB compared to EC2's normal $0.09/GB -- That's a 91-95% discount on egress data!

Immediately thought about this "solution" to bandwith overage charges as well. Would not be surprised if it ended up getting you disabled for abuse or going against the TOC, etc.

The documentation for LightSail specifically calls out integration with other AWS services, how to get them connected via private IPS, etc.

https://lightsail.aws.amazon.com/ls/docs/overview/article/us...

Of course, after your initial allotment of cheap bandwidth, LightSail switches to the regular AWS egress prices.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Well, except if something's gone wrong and my bills are suddenly shooting up, that's exactly the kind of time when some piece of software might misbehave, and fail to freeze everything. And it's not really very easy to test either. This seems like the kind of thing you really want to get right, and it will be (I imagine) hard to get right. If it was easy, I would expect some company to offer it (along with, of course…

Sure - and if you need that, buy that. WHM/Cpanel and Plesk both let you have 100% guaranteed monthly costs with vendor configurable response to over-use of resources. You can get that for $5/month or less - just not from Amazon, because that's not what they sell. Nobody rings up Caterpillar and complains about the costs of leasing/running/maintaining a D9 'dozer if they're doing jobs that only need a shovel and a wh…

I've been involved in renting heavy equipment, and it doesn't work like Amazon. No one gets unexpected massive bills, you agree before what the bill will be. I don't see the comparison you are trying to make.
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