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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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So I went to their main page to download an ISO to give it a try in a VM. They hid the download button really well: You have to type in "0" into the "how much you'd like to pay" field for the "Purchase" button to change to "Download". I mean I understand that open source projects need funding. But if you want people to try your niche OS at least make it obvious how to download it. Ask for money later after people had…

Hasn't the Ubuntu page been doing that for years?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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post #174

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> Mac developers don't want to just get the job done. They want to get the job done while winning an Apple Design Award. Well, thats kind of a narcissistic statement. How many people develop for Windows? How many for Linux? How many for Mac? oh. I try to make my software as beautiful as I can, and keep a simple and usable UX. There are developers who don't care about guidelines, or design. That's not a platform fault…

I'm not sure you've done enough macOS/iOS development to know where that feeling comes from. In every Apple developer conference, in much of the UI API, and in input from the community, the idea of creating beautiful apps is something that gets repeated over and over until it is ingrained in us. It has nothing to do with trying to be better looking than other platforms but rather trying to match the aesthetics and qu…

I'm fine with that. My problem is statements like this:

"Take Mac away and high quality desktop apps will go away."

As if all the world's high quality apps are only developed on and for the Mac.

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post #39

I'm really hoping this is just a phase. Hoping that Apple will reduce prices of new laptops and we'll be back to normal. Right now everybody is using Macs. Walk into the Bay Area coffee shop, you see Macs everywhere. I love that. I build desktop software for Macs (focuslist.co). My apps are prettier than any others. They are easier and faster to use. This is the reason why people pay me $5 while they can get the job…

I mean, sure - the design is pretty, but OSX has been terrible for me quality wise. I know what you mean about pretty, but currently i'm feeling like i need to pick between pretty (OSX) and stable (Linux). Worse yet, is if i pick a stable variety of Linux, it's likely to not be pretty. The pretty Linux OSs (in my experience) tend to be at least as unstable as OSX. Ugh. (Note: I upgraded to Sierra, crash or have weird…

Personal experiences of the Apple product that is negative is bad. Personal experiences of the Apple product that is positive is good.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I'm long term Linux user and I played with Elementary sometime ago. While just after installation everything is great and beautiful, it changed shortly when I need to install apps outside the ecosystem. Experience gives you feeling I could compare to using old-java application on Windows 10.

another problem is that you can't just upgrade when a new version comes out, you have to reinstall as if nothing happened, it was a turn off for me.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Going by the comments here, I am surprised by how few people seem to use Linux on their laptop! Maybe selection bias due to the thread topic?

Of course, not everything will work, but for me, they often fall into the nice-to-have category of features, not a must-have. Maybe my preferences are not shared widely.

Been using Debian unstable and Xmonad for a long time, and it's hard to try and use anything else now. Most dev tools work natively ... no funky VMs to emulate, except Windows for Edge browser testing ... all works really well.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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elementary is indeed not meant to be 'just a desktop environment like gnome / kde'. Installing it that way is not supported. It's a full operating system including default apps, etc. all sorts of things you probably didn't install. You should indeed install it fresh. I hope you didn't give your friends a bad expression.

I didn't. I didn't tell them anything. I just don't have any interest in installing it full. Instead I went with KDE Neon.

KDE Neon looks great too. I really respect their work.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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The software is there, but what about the hardware to go with it? The only laptops comparable to Macbook Pro hardware quality and battery life are the Dell XPS series and the Thinkpad X1. I feel there is a serious shortage of good laptops with linux pre-installed that the non-technical user can pickup and start using.

my mac's battery backup is of 8+ hrs and it is a 2012 model, it depends what I do on it, sometimes I get a 12+ hr backup. I don't think there is any other laptop which is as slim and has such a nice battery backup

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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post #12

The software is there, but what about the hardware to go with it? The only laptops comparable to Macbook Pro hardware quality and battery life are the Dell XPS series and the Thinkpad X1. I feel there is a serious shortage of good laptops with linux pre-installed that the non-technical user can pickup and start using.

my mac's battery backup is of 8+ hrs and it is a 2012 model, it depends what I do on it, sometimes I get a 12+ hr backup. I don't think there is any other laptop which is as slim and has such a nice battery backup

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Which adapters do you need to carry? I would love a 32G or 64G machine too, but did you see what Phil Schiller said about the 32G issue? It sounded like it wasn't a matter of a little bit more power, it was a LOT more. We really don't know how much more. Apple does know. If the new design was two inches thick people would be complaining about that. Personally I'm expecting that no matter what the vendor. desktops wil…

> Which adapters do you need to carry? USB-A adapter for my wireless Logitech keyboard and mouse. A gigabit ethernet adapter. Mini-DP x2 adapter, for my desktop screens. I may be able to leave those attached to the screens, though. I'd need another one for home in that case. Power adapter, HDMI adapter and two USB-A, for attaching to any external screens, speakerphones, and webcams when in a conference room. If I inc…

> Not compared to memory. You don't want to put your computer in a constant state of swap - something easy to do with VMs.

Perhaps not compared to memory, but that gap continues to look smaller and smaller.

The new PCIe/NVME drive's bandwidth looks to be within 1(-ish) order of magnitude of ddr3. Apple is claiming ~3GB/s read ~2GB write and iirc 1600mhz ddr3 is somewhere around 20GB/s rw. I don't know what the latency numbers are, but I know the NVME/PCIe bus is a dramatic improvement -- not saying it will be measured in nanoseconds, however.

I have some fusion ioDrives at work that have about 3GB/s r 2.5 w with ~30 microsecond latency over the PCIe bus. Exciting times we live in for io :)

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