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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by disgruntledphd2 » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:40 PM UTC

gjulianm wrote: post #228

iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

I searched for that tweet [1] and I think the context makes it different. He doesn't talk about management directly, but about healthcare as a remedy to avoid people getting fired and then losing health, housing or similar things. The article put that tweet in a context where it could be interpreted as "white males in Github are bad, let's fire them" and I think he says something completely different. 1: https://twit…

Thank you for that context, that's extremely helpful. I was totally with him until the white male stuff, sadly.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by douche » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:40 PM UTC

morenoh149 wrote: post #416

Karunamon wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's... quite heartening, to see HN call out the blatantly anti-equality messaging highlighted in this article, and to not have it buried at the bottom of the page. Lots of unsourced speculation as to what's going on behind the scenes, but I wonder if a few years from now, we'll all look back at the day they decided to throw out meritocracy (symbolically, as the rug, and realistically, as the reorganization) as the b…

people don't like meritocracy /sarcasm

Meritocracy is only good for you if you're better than most people. It's in most people's interest to dislike meritocracy.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by aikah » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:40 PM UTC

proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

It has more to do with the current cultural war in USA than anything else. Like all wars it's about power, it's a power grab.

"Reverse-racism" is now an acceptable ideology in the media and in the tech community, and all the social-studies crowd now get jobs as "diversity officers" in Tech companies. It isn't going to end well for some companies, that might get "disrupted" from the inside because of people pushing politics before anything else.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by alphapapa » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:41 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #268

iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

It's... quite heartening, to see HN call out the blatantly anti-equality messaging highlighted in this article, and to not have it buried at the bottom of the page. Lots of unsourced speculation as to what's going on behind the scenes, but I wonder if a few years from now, we'll all look back at the day they decided to throw out meritocracy (symbolically, as the rug, and realistically, as the reorganization) as the b…

Yes, it should be an interesting story, how these people took over from the inside, if we ever get to hear it.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jmorphy88 » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

All "diversity" programs, along with other legalisms like "minority" status, "historically disprivileged groups", etc. are entirely about anti-white racism and dispossession. They have no moral standing and no logical consistency, and they don't pretend to, nor do they even need to. It's utilitarian and provides benefits to a specific group at the expense of another.

I'm happy GitHub is getting to experience the runaway consequences of this toxic and repugnant ideology. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of "progressive" folks.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by audessuscest » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

Looks like they trade "structure based purely on meritocracy" by "promote diversity".

I don't see how this can go well. Meritocracy is important among dev and open source. And they don't care about political diversity. I can only imagine this new "culture of fear" where you can't hire white people (even woman).

Skills and experiences should be the only way to choose who you hire, not race or gender.

Anyway, looks like a good time to switch from github to open source solutions.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by douche » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

alphapapa wrote: post #434

slavik81 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." It's an inherent problem that as you fight something, you tend to mirror it. You almost have to do so in order to be effective. The problem is that at some point, it just feeds the cycle.

MLK, Jr. didn't mirror it, nor did he need to.

He also got assassinated before he had the opportunity. He could have been Ghandi, or he could have been Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by noobermin » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

StevePerkins wrote: post #338

Some random thoughts and observations after reading this thread: [1] I'm interested in the differences between reactions to this, versus Brendan Eich's gay marriage scandal at Mozilla a couple of years ago. Don't get me wrong... I supported marriage equality then, and I do not support the worst of the statements called out in this story now. However, there are rational arguments that the HN community overreacted in B…

At least for [2], I'd suggest the community around Github is the reason many are reluctant to leave.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by nrr » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

djKianoosh wrote: post #290

coderjames wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download

bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO

If you're seeking to stay within the Atlassian ecosystem, the product that you're looking for is actually FishEye[0]. (Yes, yes, paying money, etc., but if you're a large organization, you're already used to buying stuff off the shelf to solve problems like this.)

On the other hand, if you don't feel like drinking the Atlassian sugary beverage with an odd taste, there's LXR[1] (and LXRng[2]), OpenGrok[3] (remember OpenGrok?), and Etsy's Hound[4], not to mention Russ Cox's standalone Go implementation of Google's code search tool[5].

0: https://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye 1: http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ 2: Ironically enough, search Github. lxr.linux.no went down some time ago. 3: http://opengrok.github.io/OpenGrok/ 4: https://github.com/etsy/Hound 5: https://github.com/google/codesearch

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by rdl » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC

I wonder if remote-work culture helps with diversity. It obviously does with geographic culture diversity, and with nationality (due to visas), but does it particularly help with racial or gender or age or anything else?

I'd assume it does with gender diversity (since women more often end up taking care of kids/elders/etc. even with a full time job of their own); race/ethnicity seems more indirect.